Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Van Badham

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The result was keep. Primefac (talk) 12:28, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Van Badham

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There's a lot of references in the article but I keep hitting on dead ends. There are wordpress blogs, student newspapers a primary source interview. There does not appear to be enough out there to justify an article on this person, not as a journalist, author, or playwright. There's been a lot of vandalism in the article's past I see but the afd has nothing to do with that, I found this by the RecentChanges link. ValarianB (talk) 13:42, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose delete AiasBigAndLittle (talk) 00:55, 19 January 2017 (UTC)I'm not sure whether the above case for deletion is primarily citation-based or notability-based. I don't think either case has substance, in that the subject is one of Australia's most prominent playwrights under 50 (see the reference to the NSW Premier's Literary Awards, links to arts organisations, newspaper articles, university sites included in the article - most of which I am having no trouble accessing) and is also a regular columnist in The Guardian (the link to her Guardian profile appears to be intact too). This should satisfy even the most rigorous notability criteria. I will do a thorough audit of the sources, but as I said, most of them seem to be intact, and of high quality/impact, not just blogs etc. AiasBigAndLittle (talk) 22:15, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Oppose delete~~ Further to above - references have now been cleaned up and brought up-to-date.AiasBigAndLittle (talk) 00:53, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Duplicate !vote struck. Primefac (talk) 01:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose delete Van Badham is one of those people who always tends to be part of a television panel that I inadvertently find myself watching. Add to that her regular column in the Guardian, her plays being performed and her other contributions to the media, I would certainly oppose any attempt to delete the article. --Roisterer (talk) 03:56, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep on first pass there seems to be more than enough, NEXISTS, to pass GNG. Even if some of the current article references are below standard there would appear to be plenty more to pick from to support an even more solid article. The article could now do with a section or paragraphs on the Steve Price matter which alone almost warrants its own article given the main stream and other press coverage it has had. Aoziwe (talk) 11:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This deletion request appears ill-researched. A cursory Google news search shows abundant national & international media coverage of her activities just in 2016, from being called "hysterical" on a panel television show to supporting Clinton. There's also references to her work as a playwright eg [1] and multiple reviews in the British press of UK productions of her play Camarilla eg [2],[3] Her bio here in PAJ is useful: [4]. Espresso Addict (talk) 11:47, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well I am sorry if it appears that way, but I did look into this person before trying for a deletion. Your first link does not work, 2 and 3 would perhaps make the play notable, and the last one appears to be a press release. ValarianB (talk) 14:41, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A quick web search indicates that Badham has a strong national and international profile as a playwright and a strong national profile (in Australia) as a journalist and commentator. At the time of writing, the references appear to be in good health. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.148.176.197 (talk) 01:23, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - sorry, but when the editor in chief of the Guardian Australia isn't notable enough to have an article, I don't see how a columnist who writes a few plays deserves an article. An old high school teacher of mine writes plays and has been involved in politics, even running as a candidate on a couple of occasions. Does he deserve an article? As awesome as this teacher is, no he doesn't. Because although he is regarded locally as a good director and play-writer, he doesn't have the notability.

One could argue the same case that people like Andrew Bolt doesn't warrant an article - but the difference is that he hosts his own television show, which is a whole lot different then occasionally appearing on Q&A on the ABC. We go lower, Steve Price (Broadcaster), he's an obnoxious arse, but he does host his own radio show and is a weekly co-host on The Project and that warrants him his own article. Go lower down the totem pole again, we have Miranda Devine; but again, she has done more in the media field then just write columns - she at one stage hosted her own radio show on 2GB.

I am of course referring to right-wing commentators here, but anyone who has a Wikipedia article, left or right, has one because they do more then just write opinion pieces on a weekly basis, or they are in the Order of Australia, they have hosted their own radio or television shows, or are in some other way notable. Writing plays doesn't pass the sniff test unless if said plays are notable as all hell, and none of the plays she's written are highly notable. 121.219.8.29 (talk) 11:51, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

note - above editor's only contribution to wiki is to this afd. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:18, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete, the nominator is correct. I took a look through the references in the article, quite a few of them were dead links, more still were citing her own articles as opposed to third party sources. Removing these references, all you have are a few reviews for a few of her plays and I don't think that is enough to establish notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geelongite (talk • contribs) 12:43, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She is most well known as a sometimes controversial commentator/public intellectual in Australia, which is not really covered in the article. I don't think she is particularly notable as a playright, her plays aren't really performed by professional companies at least in Australia.Boneymau (talk) 00:34, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The sources do not support an assertion of a, quote controversial commentator/public intellectual though. There has to be observable proof. ValarianB (talk) 13:35, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Creator of multiple notable works. Also has good coverage about her.

di Fonzo, Benito (6 June 2008), "Extreme makeover", Sydney Morning Herald is a mixture of a review of Poster Girl and a bio piece about Badham.

Smith, Gary (31 October 2006), "Calling to write emotive theatre", Daily Telegraph is a mixture of a review of Camarilla and a bio piece about Badham.

Scott, Robert Dawson (13 August 2003), "Edinburgh theatre - First night - Edinburgh Festival.", The Times - review of Camarilla

Gardner, Lyn (5 August 2003), "Review - Theatre - Camarilla - C Venue 3/5", The Guardian - review of Camarilla

Mullaney, Andrea (5 August 2003), "Walk-out fury over Afghan War satire", Evening News - Scotland - news article focussing on Camarilla

Blake, Jason (22 June 2008), "Poster Girl", Sun Herald - review of Poster Girl

Dunne, Stephen (22 June 2008), "Too nice - when naughty was needed", The Sydney Morning Herald - review of Poster Girl

Neill, Rosemary (17 June 2006), "STAGE FRIGHT - PLAY SCHOOL - Australia's leading playwrights on the drama drought", The Australian - a lot of bio about Badham.

It goes on. more than enough. duffbeerforme (talk) 16:14, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep, wow! why is this even here? afd is not cleanup, Badham is clearly notable, having received Queensland Premier's Literary Award, New South Wales Premier's Literary Award, and Western Australian Premier's Book Award so meets WP:ANYBIO ie. "1.The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times." (but coola they're only ozzie awards....GGGRRRRR) (also each of the plays that received one of these awards could, with a couple of reviews, be broken out to their own articles), (these awards were listed in the article before this afd was created so the question again, why is this here:)), also with Duffbeerforme's list of reviews/articles above Badham easily meets notability requirements. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:10, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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