Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valentine (restaurant)

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The result was merge to MTY Food Group#Groupe Valentine Inc.. What content to be merged into the existing section can be determined outside of AFD. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 08:46, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Valentine (restaurant)

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Non notable small chain; references seem to only discuss it in context of being acquired by another firm, but redirect was reverted. Inappropriate content: absurdly trivial menu in both infobox and text, and trivial news event--possibly because there was no other possible content at all. DGG ( talk ) 17:38, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP, despite what previous user states, only from a united states-centric point of view is the chain non-notable. The chain has a hundred or so locations, as stated in in article, all in eastern canada, and while not necessarily known to non residents of said area, the chain is very popular and rather ubiquitous. References have been added, and the chain itself has notoriety from having started off as a single restaurant in rural quebec to a large chain now part of MTY group, one of the largest franchisor in Canada. While previous comment might find the chain trivial (undoubtedly due to lack of local knowledge and interest in local chain, which might explain why everything is "trivial" for said user), there is at least one newspaper article discussing the chain, as cited in the article, which makes it much less trivial than several hundred thousand wiki pages which discuss a topic not cited once, yet still deserve attention to be improved. The goal of Wikipedia is to provide knowledge and removing all articles that a single user without interest in a specific topic suggests for deletion is not realistic. This is not a chip stand at the corner of a street, this is a large chain 1/4 the size of white castle covering an area 1/16th the size of white castle's footprint.Dread Specter (talk) 18:13, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

yes, MY

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:13, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Quebec-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or delete Tudor's Biscuit World with it. There is no reason a West Virginia chain should get an article and those who live in the thirteen northern states don't. Tim Hortons isn't even Canadian anymore. We like articles that celebrate putain and curling, eh? To those who say there is no press coverage, of course there is. It's written in French. Rhadow (talk) 19:32, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

where is? It would help to add it to the article. (that is, substantial coverage, not routine reviews or notices about a store opening.) DGG ( talk ) 05:22, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

French press added, DGG, okay? Rhadow (talk) 14:21, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The first is a 150 word brief promotional notice, the second a 50 word paragraph introduced a video advertisement they made of themselves. DGG ( talk ) 16:41, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DGG -- No, it's not Pulitzer material, but it shouldn't inspire such undeserved scorn. It is independent. Infopresse is the analog of Adweek. Valentine paid to make the TV ads. That's legitimate; whether it is routine is another question. The other piece about 10,000 steps for a poutine is independent and ironic. Did you get bad service in a Valentine? Rhadow (talk) 17:39, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I can not find any of the cited articles in the web or on wayback machine, but from the tiles it seems they deal with the chain only in context of its purchase by MTY. The two refs I can find are from the company itself, one direct, one on wayback. There are also two article in the Globe Mail about MTY acquisitions of food chains--both of which mentions this particular acquisition only as one of a list in a paragraph "MTY brands include: Mr. Sub, Country Style, Thai Express, Yogen Fruz, TCBY, Cultures, Tiki-Ming, Jugo Juice, Vanelli's, Tandori, KimChi, TacoTime, Sukiyaki, Koya, Sushi Shop, Vieux Duluth, Chick 'n Chick, Franx Supreme, La Crémière, Valentine, Croissant Plus, O'burger, Panini, Tutti-Frutti, Vie&Nam, Villa Madina, Koryo" [1] ; [2] claims of importance would seem to be based on ILIKEIT. I will certainly look at any other similar chains you mention--I've helped delete a number where the references don't amount to sayign more than it exists or once existed. And how is a section reading "==Products== French fries, hot dogs, hamburgers, poutine , club sandwich, hamburger steak, hot chicken sandwich ,smoked meat, chicken burger, chicken strips and breakfast items. " encyclopedic content? .(Some other trival or promotional contentthat I tried to delete has been restored also. At this point, it might qualify for G11. DGG ( talk ) 00:02, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – The generic name of this restaurant chain may make finding sources difficult compared to companies with more unique/discernible names. Also has potential to be selectively merged to MTY Food Group, as a subsidiary of MTY Food Group (WP:ATD-M). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:48, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment --Before Valentine is deleted, another Canadian restaurant chain needs a look Golden Griddle. Valentine seems to have more muscle and press than these chains: Du-par's, Nina's Waffles, Ice Cream & Sweets, and Golden Nugget Pancake House. Rhadow (talk) 21:29, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Very probably a few dozen at least in the US also; experience has been that they ted to very difficult to remove from WP, because they depend on pr and reputation: they tend to make sure they get a good deal of trivial press, and when they brought here, tend to encounter iLIKEIT.

I wouldn't object at all to an approach that considered several at a time, but of course they each have to be considered individually, because probably in a group of 10, 1 or 2 will have something substantial for notability. The same goes for many other classes of promotionalism.

More practically,we need to remove promotional material more systematically from the articles we do have--I might not have really bothered with this article were it not for the promotional contents--I haver found it almost impossible to remove trivial menu contents from restaurant articles. I do not understand the indifference to this: I could understand an approach to promotion that just removed promotional content though an approach which removes the article also is a more effective way of keep such content out of WP, but I do not understand an approach that keeps such articles with content intact. Those trying to do that may not be writing promotionalism themselves, but they are encouraging it. Either they do not know what promotionalism is, or they actually think it belongs in an encyclopedia DGG ( talk ) 22:04, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Dread Specter. 2001:569:7C0B:6100:CD57:ABAF:36D0:2C04 (talk) 04:11, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to MTY Food Group, as a subsidiary of MTY Food Group (WP:ATD-M). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:35, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I had strongly disagreed with the nominator at the most recent Afd for Big Smoke Burger, but I see that's another acquisition by MTY Food Group -- which I had never heard of until today -- that could arguably be merged. I've tagged it so. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:56, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to MTY Food Group. I looked at the references in the article. Some are first-party. One is about a TV commercial the restaurant had used! None of them strike me as WP:RS. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:08, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to MTY Food Group per RoySmith. On an unrelated note, I miss the heck out of poutine. Ifnord (talk) 02:03, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to MTY Food Group. Already mentioned in MTY Food Group article. PhilKnight (talk) 02:10, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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