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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. and I don't think another relist will bring one about. Star Mississippi 01:22, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Uniform Map[edit]

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Clearly non-notable, could not find any reliable sources in English or Japanese. — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 18:35, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I reviewed the article and did not find it to have used promotional wording. Please provide information about how the article is promotional so I can address this through editing. Cunard (talk) 11:08, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per the above users points. Sahaib (talk) 06:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. "台湾の制服マニアの制服マップサイトが話題　700種類以上掲載". People's Daily (in Japanese). 2015-04-07. Archived from the original on 2022-03-05. Retrieved 2022-03-05.

      The article notes from Google Translate: "The website "Uniform Map", which collects uniform photos of high school girls from all over Taiwan, has become a hot topic. Masamasa Ouyo (35), a maniac enthusiast in the field of uniforms, has spent 20 years and invested 1 million Taiwan dollars (about 3.84 million yen) in more than 300 high schools and 700 types of uniforms. Collected and launched the site."

    2. 楊惠琪; 羅國甫 (2013-06-07). "「制服地圖」票選 景美黃衫最靚". Apple Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-03-05. Retrieved 2022-03-05.

      The article notes from Google Translate: "The first app in China that can search for the uniforms of various high school vocational girls was launched yesterday. Some netizens combined photos of high school vocational girls' uniforms with the Google Map function to develop a "Uniform Map" app. ... The uniform map was developed by a netizen in the information industry "Red Reaper". Originally, it only provided the web version, but it was reposted to Taiwan by netizens a few days ago (telnet://ptt.cc). It has exceeded 400,000 person-times."

    3. 蔡偉祺 (2014-05-02). "歷史上的第一次 全台500高校制服選美". China Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-03-05. Retrieved 2022-03-05.

      The article notes from Google Translate: "First time in Taiwan! The "2014 Graduation Season - Taiwan University Uniform Awards", co-organized by the uniform map website and "High School Chronicle", is in full swing. More than 500 school uniform voting activities include almost all high schools in Taiwan."

    4. "台灣「制服地圖」網羅女子聖衣　短裙黑襪基本款". ETtoday (in Chinese). 2013-06-05. Archived from the original on 2022-03-05. Retrieved 2022-03-05.

      The article notes from Google Translate: "It is understood that Uniform Map is collected by enthusiastic netizens, and the organizational structure is formed. The information is quite rich, but some school uniforms have not been collected in it. Although the database has not reached 100%, it is already quite a huge project."

    5. 陳又寧; 歷亞格艾 (2013-06-07). "制服地圖網友點到手痠　景美女中黃衫黑裙暫居冠". ETtoday (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-03-05. Retrieved 2022-03-05.

      The article notes from Google Translate: "The first APP 'Uniform Map' in China that can search for the uniforms of high school vocational girls was launched on the 6th. Netizens marked the school location with the google map function, matched with the school girls' uniforms, and also provided online likes and votes for which school uniform is the most beautiful."

    6. "網友設計制服地圖 不出門也可看高中妹". Liberty Times (in Chinese). 2013-06-06. Archived from the original on 2022-03-05. Retrieved 2022-03-05.

      The article notes from Google Translate: "The usage of 'Uniform Map' is similar to 'Google Map'. It is quite simple and easy to operate. The content includes almost all high school addresses in Taiwan, and the uniform photos of each high school girl are attached for users to enjoy. It sparked discussions among many netizens. Many netizens believed that such a website was too humane, and some netizens joked that they decided to follow the map to each high school pilgrimage."

    7. Additional sources (less significant coverage):
      1. "制服地圖漏協志工商　師PO「最強」學生美照". Apple Daily (in Chinese). 2013-06-07. Archived from the original on 2022-03-05. Retrieved 2022-03-05.
      2. 許敏溶 (2017-05-28). "「人氣制服之星」票選揭曉　陽光美少女奪后冠". Apple Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-03-05. Retrieved 2022-03-05.

        The article notes that the website administrator is Jiang Shunzhi (Chinese: 江舜智).

      3. 蔡偉祺 (2014-10-03). "700所國中大PK　制服地圖再出招　萌水手VS.福音戰士". China Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-03-05. Retrieved 2022-03-05.

        The article notes from Google Translate: "Taiwan's well-known uniform website 'Uniform Map' has launched a Chinese version, targeting more than 700 national junior high school uniforms in Taiwan."

      4. 張哲儒; 陳育菁 (2013-06-06). "高校制服地圖 網友蒐正妹照吸睛". China Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-03-05. Retrieved 2022-03-05.

        The article notes from Google Translate: "On the Uniform Map of the beautiful girl student uniform, each small punctuation flag. It turned out to represent a high school or a vocational school, such as uniforms, short skirts, and black socks. These college uniforms are really pleasing to the eye. However, some netizens pointed out that the girls in some photos not only look like models with makeup on their faces, but not students of the school."

      5. "「制服地圖」問世　校服美女即點即看". Apple Daily (in Chinese). 2013-06-05. Archived from the original on 2018-01-31. Retrieved 2022-03-05.
      6. 陳育賢; 竹縣 (2017-04-09). "高校制服大賞 全國大車拚進第2階段". China Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-03-05. Retrieved 2022-03-05.
      7. 黃益源 (2017-05-31). "制服美女黃靖雅 15歲會6國語言還會馬術" (in Chinese). Chinese Television System. Archived from the original on 2022-03-05. Retrieved 2022-03-05.
    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Uniform Map (traditional Chinese: 制服地圖; simplified Chinese: 制服地図) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 11:08, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Most of these sources only contain trivial mentions that aren't significant coverage, and aren't the main subject of a source. Just because it has been mentioned in articles, usually covering a different subject, doesn't mean it's notable. — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 16:03, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The sources in the "Additional sources (less significant coverage)" section provide less significant coverage about Uniform Map. The first six sources I listed provide significant coverage about Uniform Map as demonstrated by the quotes. Several of the articles are specifically about Uniform Map only and do not cover a different subject.

Wikipedia:Notability (web)#Criteria says:

Keeping in mind that all articles must conform with the policy on verifiability to reliable sources, and that non-independent and self-published sources alone are not sufficient to establish notability; web-specific content may be notable based on meeting one of the following criteria:

  1. The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself. This criterion includes reliable published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, magazine articles, books, television documentaries, websites, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations
The sources I provided demonstrate Uniform Map is "the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself".

Cunard (talk) 22:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: further discussion of Cunard's sources would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 23:44, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Let's try this again
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: Per the sources that Cunard added Justiyaya 01:54, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Was unable to review source 1 (I can't read Japanese)
    Source 2's reliability is questionable due to the Apple Daily RFC, though likely gives significant coverage
    Source 3 likely reliable (no discussion found) article gives significant coverage (contains 8 mentions of the subject)
    Source 4, 5 likely reliable per it's RSPS discussion, gives significant coverage.
    Source 6 likely reliable (no discussion found) although the article is quite short.
    Voted keep per WP:GNG and WP:WEBCRIT Justiyaya 02:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No in-depth coverage worth speaking for this most mediocre of subjects and of no historical or encyclopedic content. scope_creepTalk 13:32, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The references provided by Cunard are trivial at best, to not even about the topic at worst. None of them from what I can tell are at the level of direct, in-depth coverage of this that we need for it to be notable. At the most what is available justifies mentioning the website in the main School uniform article, but that's about it and I have serious doubts that is even worth doing. That said, I'd at least take it over keeping this just because there's a bunch of name drops about it in articles that are only slightly or not at all related to the website that this article pertains to. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The assertion that Uniform Map is among the "most mediocre of subjects" may be true when compared to other subjects. But it is not a policy-based reason for deletion when many reliable sources consider Uniform Map worth covering. I found sources in China (People's Daily), Japan (Chugoku Shimbun), and Taiwan (China Times). That international sources consider the Uniform Map website worth covering strongly establishes notability.

    I do not agree with the assertion that "The references provided by Cunard are trivial at best, to not even about the topic at worst". Each of the six sources I linked provide significant coverage about the subject. Here my analysis about the first three:

    1. The first source from People Daily is titled "Taiwanese uniform enthusiast website Uniform Map is a hot topic. More than 700 types posted." The article notes that the site was created by 35-year-old uniform enthusiast Masamasa Ouyo, who invested 20 years and 1 million Taiwanese dollars to purchase 700 types of uniforms from more than 300 high schools. It discusses how he got into collecting uniforms and how he had to obtain the girl uniforms through friends and auctions since he was a male. The article discusses how Chugoku Shimbun covered the website and quoted from China Times.
    2. The second source from Apple Daily is titled "'Uniform Map' Voting: Taipei Municipal Jingmei Girls High School's yellow shirt voted most beautiful." The article notes that Uniform Map is the first Taiwanese app where people can search for high school girl uniforms. The article discusses how the app works and how the app was launched on 6 June 2013. The article notes that the website was created by a "netizen in the information industry" and discusses why he created the website. The article notes that the website was accessed by 400,000 people on the day it launched. The article notes that the app was available on Android but not on iOS yet. The article lists the top four most voted uniforms. The article said that 256 schools were listed on the website in the day after the launch.
    3. The third source from China Times is titled: "For the first time in history, voting on the most popular uniform from Taiwan's 500 high schools". The article notes that Uniform Map co-organized a vote on which uniform is the most popular from Taiwan's 500 high schools. The article notes that the contest received over 100,000 votes and tens of millions of views. The article notes that Jiang Shunzhi is the founder of the website. On 1 May of the previous year, he decided to "combine high school uniforms and maps" which "immediately set off a uniform craze on the Internet".
    Uniform Map passes Wikipedia:Notability (web)#Criteria. Cunard (talk) 09:00, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, a source that discusses how a dude got into collecting school uniforms is an in-depth significant coverage about the subject, right. I could be totally off here, but the last time I checked the article isn't about school uniform collecting. Let alone the app developers journey as a collector of them. Make an article about those subjects if you think they are notable, but neither uniform collector or the app developer is what this is about. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The article discusses information about the creator's uniform collecting in the context of why the creator founded the website and how many uniforms were on the website in the first day of launch. This contributes to the source providing significant coverage about the website's origins and history. Cunard (talk) 15:17, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How exactly does the article do that? Literally all it does is name drop the app in the beginning and then discusses the dudes collection. Nowhere in the article from what I can tell does it connect his collection to how many were on the website on day launch day. Let alone does it give any history of the website's origins or whatever. significant or otherwise. Sure, the dude started it because he likes school uniforms, but that's literally all it says and there's nothing significant about that. Either way, I'd love to see a website that was created by someone who didn't have an interest in the subject. "I started bears.com because I like bears. Now let me tell you a story about why I think bears are the greatest animal ever." is the epitome of trivial, non-significant coverage. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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