Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uncle Seth

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:30, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Uncle Seth[edit]

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This band does not meet the criteria for WP:BAND. There is one write-up about an upcoming event in "Media in Canada". A public relations expert used them as an example of good marketing in his book. I found three press releases, [1], [2] and [3]. The claim about "official band of Canadian podcasters' has been copied from the third of these into the Jesse Kohl article and then into the Wikipedia article, so there's no independent reference. I was unable to find any independent published reviews of the contents their recordings, their blog, their podcast or their Second Life "simulcast", or reports of any performances. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:37, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:02, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:57, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Hi, I am a founding member of the band Uncle Seth, and wanted to respond.

While much of our original press coverage is no longer available online, our Second Life simulcast was covered in this Toronto Star article which still lives at archive.org. Parts of one of our Second Life concerts were shown on Global National News in Canada but unfortunately the original video is no longer availible.

National coverage of our podcasting and Second Life did appear on CBC Radio as mentioned here and here (the second of which includes the 'offical band of Canadian podcasting' reference from broadcaster Tod Maffin) but again unfortunately the original audio is no longer availible.

Evidence of radio airplay and additional media coverage throughout Canada have also vanished, but I do believe Uncle Seth was at least in some small ways a pioneering band in terms of our efforts to connect with fans online, and I would appreciate your consideration in keeping this article alive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmoonah (talk • contribs) 00:12, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jmoonah, thanks for finding that Toronto Star item; I have added it to the article. The link to the band's blog can't be used, but it does give a timeframe for the "Bandwidth" report; the promotional blurb for the two previous shows say that one was to be about unusual promotion and the other was to be about feuds between bands. Recordings of these broadcasts likely still exist somewhere, but can't be cited unless we know what was in them. The other link appears to be to a personal blog; I'm not sure that comments there are of encyclopedic importance. The "evidence of additional media coverage" you mention may not be on line, but if you still have, for example, newspaper clippings for which you can identify the name of the paper, and the date the item appeared, text written by the journalist (not quotes or promotion from the band members) can be used to support the article.—Anne Delong (talk) 14:16, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Anne Delong, thanks for your response. I actually do have audio recordings of the CBC Radio interview on Bandwidth as well as the clip of Tod Maffin on the program Freestyle. (I just listened to the latter for the first time in many years, Maffin refers to the band as the unofficial band of Canadian podcasting rather than the official band.) I would be happy to post and/or transcribe these clips for consideration, please advise! —jmoonah

Anne Delong, I've discovered audio clips from a pair of radio interviews on archive.org: CBC Bandwidth and 680 News Toronto. Both include introductions recorded by me for inclusion in our podcast, but in both cases the audio that follows was from the broadcasts in question so hopefully these can also be cited. In addition, I found this article on blogTO which is a source I have seen cited for other Wikipedia articles, so perhaps this could be used as well. —jmoonah

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 00:24, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Wikipedia does not have a requirement that the citations necessarily have to be to online content — print-only citations are acceptable — but we do have a requirement that the citations have to be locatable somewhere (such as a print retrieval database like ProQuest or newspapers.com or Highbeam) so that they can be found if needed for verifiability purposes. But I just ran a ProQuest search, and a repetition of the same Toronto Star article already offered above is literally the only thing I found besides a couple of routine concert listings and a couple of references to unrelated people who had uncles named Seth. But one source isn't enough to carry notability by itself, and we can't cite stuff to Blogspot blogs or unarchived and therefore unverifiable radio content. Bearcat (talk) 16:48, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bearcat, thanks and understood. Per my response above to Anne Delong I have some archived CBC audio that I hope can also be used, if you have any advice on the best way to accomplish this I'd very much appreciate it.

Delete - The available info doesn't suggest notability. If there was coverage of the Second Life gig and it was for example the first such event and recognized as trailblazing, we'd surely see some media coverage of this fact today. Also, based on the fact that the band's output is a single EP, one would expect to see quite a bit of media coverage to support the claim of notability. Even if all the sources mentioned above were available online, it just doesn't seem like enough independent third party coverage. Timtempleton (talk) 00:28, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.