Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultra Machine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. ceradon (talk • edits) 02:59, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ultra Machine

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Article topic is not the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. (?) It only had passing mentions in a video game reliable sources custom Google search, where it was commonly affiliated with Gunpei Yokoi as one of his works. Same goes for a Google Books search, where the Ultra Machine is not independently notable from Yokoi. I'd be fine with a redirect to the creator, but my redirect was contested. Please {{ping}} me if you offline and non-English refs. – czar 00:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:31, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:31, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a good number of books on Google that are not written by Yokoi that discuss this item. The coverage may not be quite in depth enough to meet notability, but there is a good likelihood that other off line sources are available given that this is an item from the 1960s, predating Google by quite a bit. At a minimum the sourceable content should be merged to either Yokoi or Nintendo, but I could see keeping. Deletion or even redirecting without covering the subject in the target article would be contrary to WP:PRESERVE. Rlendog (talk) 01:16, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another possibility would be to merge this and the other Ultra toys into an Ultra series (toy) article. Rlendog (talk) 01:18, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's not discussed as much as mentioned. Speculation that coverage might exist isn't particularly helpful to us here. And we shouldn't be merging unsourced material—I think we agree that a redirect to Yokoi would be appropriate. – czar 19:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Ultra Hand, Ultra Machine and Ultra Scope to an article about the toy series (Ultra toy series?), or perhaps even broader Nintendo toys to include other small, low-referenced articles like Love Tester and Nintendo tumbler puzzle. There is definitely some notability/some sourcing, perhaps not enough to write and support independent articles, but surely enough for a good merged topic. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 14:33, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A list could potentially work, but I haven't seen any coverage of this stuff that wasn't in the context of Yokoi creating it. I certainly haven't seen coverage of the "Ultra" toys as a series or group, and "Nintendo toys" might be confusing considering how many "toys" (read: amiibo) Nintendo continues to make. We should be working backwards from the sources. I think a merge definitely makes sense and a list would be fine if the scope fit, but I don't see how the listed toys have enough coverage apart from Yokoi to justify their own list. If anything, I would merge to Yokoi and spin out a "List of toys designed by Gunpei Yokoi" if and when the reliable, secondary sourcing warranted it. – czar 21:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If all the coverage is in the context of Yokoi creating it, then a merge to Yokoi's article would be appropriate. But as long as the sources weren't written by Yokoi (and they are not) then the relationship with Yokoi is not relevant to their notability. Rlendog (talk) 21:47, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:27, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ☮JAaron95 ^Talk 13:49, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.