Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UEFA Cup 2007-08 group stage
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep. JERRY talk contribs 05:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
UEFA Cup 2007-08 group stage[edit]
Totally not notable. There is no need to go into such detail about every matches of the competition. The competition could not stand for anything. Raymond Giggs 17:05, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to UEFA Cup 2007-08 --Daddy.twins (talk) 17:47, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - This article goes into much more detail than the main article. If the two articles were merged, the main article would become much too big, hence why they were split. – PeeJay 18:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Contradiction. First Round is counted into the proper round - again. If you not need the first round article means that proper rounds' article - detailed result - are not needed to be detailed. Raymond Giggs 18:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - I can't understand a bloody thing you're saying. Where does it say on UEFA.com that the First Round is a "proper round", and what does that have to do with it being notable? – PeeJay 18:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - Sorry... communication fault. My fault. Sorry. (According to Deryck Chan, my communication skills is very low-ranked - regardless in English or Chinese. LOL) I was meant that the scores in the first round would be counted into the scorer table. That means first round is compulsory for every teams - including the reigning champions, if Sevilla FC have not to be participate in the CL group stage. Raymond Giggs 19:03, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - I can't understand a bloody thing you're saying. Where does it say on UEFA.com that the First Round is a "proper round", and what does that have to do with it being notable? – PeeJay 18:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Contradiction. First Round is counted into the proper round - again. If you not need the first round article means that proper rounds' article - detailed result - are not needed to be detailed. Raymond Giggs 18:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment You wrote "Totally not notable."? I beg to differ on that first point!! Govvy (talk) 18:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Contrasting UEFA Champions League and UEFA Cup please. The champion of CL could participate into the FIFA Club World Cup, and gloried with a "European Champion" title. Those two honor are totally blessed. UEFA Cup could not achieve those things, however. Raymond Giggs 19:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Please work on your English. It hurts my eyes. Anyway, yes the UEFA Cup is less notable than the Champions League, but it's still the second biggest club football competition in Europe. Get off your high horse and stop being such a baby because your article got justly deleted. – PeeJay 19:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply All goals go into the players statistics on the UEFA database. The article is fine, it's not a bad article at all. All information is correct, it helps to have that bit in it's own article as to not main the main article to big. So I really don't know what you are playing at here. Govvy (talk) 19:23, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - Ask those people who prevented me working on the first round article. Raymond Giggs 19:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply But that article was silly, it was a repeat of this one, now you want to remove this one? To me it's like your trying to act some revenge or something... Govvy (talk) 00:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - I wondered how silly is it? I stated that I want to make detailed result because it is a compulsory round for every teams, but all people ignored me. I decided to put on AfD after considering all of your responses. All of you seems don't want to make detailed result for every compulsory rounds. Raymond Giggs 12:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply But that article was silly, it was a repeat of this one, now you want to remove this one? To me it's like your trying to act some revenge or something... Govvy (talk) 00:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - Ask those people who prevented me working on the first round article. Raymond Giggs 19:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Contrasting UEFA Champions League and UEFA Cup please. The champion of CL could participate into the FIFA Club World Cup, and gloried with a "European Champion" title. Those two honor are totally blessed. UEFA Cup could not achieve those things, however. Raymond Giggs 19:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The only real question is whether there should be more detail. Merging into the main article would make it too large, and that is an acceptable reason for creation of subarticles. DGG (talk) 00:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I don't understand the logic behind the nominator, Nothing wrong with this article, it contains all notable information, the article shouldn't be merged. That would make the main article much too big. Fine the way it is. Govvy (talk) 12:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - I also don't know the logic behind the nominator who put on the AfD of first round and the contributor who suggested deleting the first round article too. Raymond Giggs 13:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply Because it was a copy! You don't need two versions we already had enough information for it in this article!! :/ Govvy (talk) 15:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - COPY!? I have already said that I would make the detailed result if all of you support me for keep making the detailed result that main article had not mentioned, but all of you are highly impatient and it discouraged me! And no one apologize! Raymond Giggs 17:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply Because it was a copy! You don't need two versions we already had enough information for it in this article!! :/ Govvy (talk) 15:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - I also don't know the logic behind the nominator who put on the AfD of first round and the contributor who suggested deleting the first round article too. Raymond Giggs 13:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I agree that the article should be left the way it is, it provides good detail that is not found in the main article and if merged would make the main article much too large to be useful. If a change were truly needed I would rather see the main article be a smaller summary article for all rounds of competition and the subarticles used for more detailed information. Mookey42 14:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge The urge to make detailed articles about every tiny detail of every ball that is kicked is pure recentism, and wikipedia is not an almanac of what's happening in the football news. Enough is enough. One article for the season's UEFA cup competition should suffice. Robotforaday (talk) 12:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.