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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Coredesat 07:08, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UEFA Cup 2007-08 first round[edit]

UEFA Cup 2007-08 first round (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

There is no need to go into such detail about individual matches at this stage of the competition, just like there is no need to go into so much detail about the pre-Group stage rounds of the UEFA Champions League. – PeeJay 17:20, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Keep First Round is counted into formal round by UEFA. Deleting formal round's articles means that Group Stage and knockout stages articles are also useless. Yes, I would request for deleting group stage and knockout stage articles if there is a consent for deleting first round article. Raymond Giggs 17:32, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - The majority of the teams involved in the First Round of the UEFA Cup are minor teams from minor countries, compared to the teams in the Group Stage. – PeeJay 17:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's not completely true that the "majority of the teams involved in the First Round of the UEFA Cup are minor teams from minor countries." Prior to the first round, two qualifying rounds and an Intertoto Cup have been held, meaning that the truly minor clubs have already been weeded out. The lowest ranked team in the first round was IF Elfsborg, the Swedish champion. AecisBrievenbus 18:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Oops, my apologies. – PeeJay 18:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • The lowest ranked team should be BATE Borisov, from the UEFA Champions League. However, I still agree to the statement from Aecis. From the first two qualifying rounds, 59 minor teams were eliminated. Also, the minority from UEFA Intertoto Cup are completely eliminated from second qualfying round. Counting the teams of the first round, there is no more than 20 teams are from minor country. Raymond Giggs 18:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Regardless, no matter how major or minor the teams involved are, the required level of detail for this round is no more than the amount of detail already given in the UEFA Cup 2007-08 article, which makes this one a mere duplicate. – PeeJay 18:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • Okay, where is the two legs' detailed result? Where is the match held? Who scores the goals? I can see those things in the UEFA Cup 2007-08 article. On this rate, I can see the detailed report of the UEFA Cup final in the main article in the future. Please be reminded that the goals scored in the first round would be counted into the scorer table. Raymond Giggs 19:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • According to the time system uefa.com used, unified EST was adapted from Round of 32. It shows that first round and group stage are not proper rounds, just qualifying rounds? So group stage article should be deleted in this case? Those are just referenced question. Raymond Giggs 04:18, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • I stand corrected, BATE Borisov was ranked 80th, 8 places below Elfsborg. AecisBrievenbus 19:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Furthermore, in the later rounds, such as the group stage and knockout stage, the level of detail that each match is subject to is higher than earlier rounds, necessitating separate articles. – PeeJay 17:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. – PeeJay 17:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete totally unnecessary. Should already be all at UEFA Cup 2007-08 if not already. Peanut4 (talk) 17:44, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete like Peanut4 said, already enough in the main article he stated. Govvy (talk) 17:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete Totally unnecessary as UEFA Cup 2007-08 exists. пﮟოьεԻ 57 17:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per the last three. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 19:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • What I want to do is, putting the two-leg detailed result into the article. But seems it is not favored. Raymond Giggs 05:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, simply cruft. Punkmorten (talk) 19:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why don't you improve it instead of giving nonsense opinion? Raymond Giggs 04:02, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Because nothing can be done to improve an article like this that would stop it from being crufty. – PeeJay 04:15, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • NOTHING!? NOTHING!? Oh that article is nothing, so UEFA Cup 2007-08 is also nothing! Where is the detailed result of the two legs? Did first round's goal doesn't count into the scorer table? TOTALLY NONSENSE! Raymond Giggs 14:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Another thing, If first round is not useful, the group stage is ALSO not useful too. Over half of the teams are not notable too. Raymond Giggs 14:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Try to remain WP:CIVIL, matey. OK, how do you define "notable"? – PeeJay 16:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • I don't think UEFA Cup is very notable - the whole competition. The winners just could participate in the UEFA Super Cup. That's it. The competition is not notable enough to make the articles about Group Stage, First Round, or Knockout Rounds. But if you made Group Stage and knockout rounds, I think the proper rounds should be made too. Sorry for being rude because someone annoyed me around. Raymond Giggs 07:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As individual American wresting 'competitions' apparantly warrant their own article, I don't see why a competition round in a vastly more popular sport shouldn't be considered notable - even though I personnally doubt that it is per WP:NOT. --Nick Dowling (talk) 07:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - way, way too much detail. Keep this sort of thing for RSSSF, main UEFA Cup 2007-08 article displays just the correct amount of information needed in a general encyclopaedia. - fchd (talk) 08:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - uncyclopedic and fails WP:NOT#INFO. Some information could be considered useful, but this belongs on the UEFA website. EJF (talk) 16:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete because it is unnecessary, but I don't think it it is too detailed, the co-efficients information is useful, perhaps that could be merged into the main UEFA Cup article. Cg29692 (talk) 18:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The co-efficients could not be merged into the main article. I did it, but being reverted for many times. Raymond Giggs 07:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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