Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UC 3 (album)

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The result was keep. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

UC 3 (album)[edit]

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Faisl to meet WP:NALBUMS. — Ṟ Ṉ™ 03:50, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ - This album by the Norwegian Jazz Trio Urban Connection is a complite Jazz recording, receiving brilliant reviews by Norwegian critques:
Lauvland Pettersen, Tomas (2005-12-13). "Urban Connection: UC 3". Listen to Norway Ballade.no. Retrieved 2012-11-18.

"Urban Connection 21. mars på Kroa" (in Norwegian). SortlandJazz.no. 2012-02-21. Retrieved 2012-11-18.

"StaJazz: Urban Connection 27.03.2012" (in Norwegian). StaJazz.no. 2012-02-21. Retrieved 2012-11-18.

Editorial (2012-04-01). "Urban Connection til Vossajazz 2013". Vossajazz.no. Retrieved 2012-10-31. Listen to it, and you will understand ... Best wishes Knuand (talk) 11:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:56, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:56, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 00:30, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:NALBUMS as it hasn't received "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". That the author think it is a good album confers no notability. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:05, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Still out showing your "good intentions" ... You say "you have nothing against me personally" ... but, what do you have against Urban Connection', have you even heard about them before? Cheers, Knuand (talk) 15:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

How come Mentoz86 allways wote for deletion of my entries? Knuand (talk) 15:09, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Struck multiple !vote - Bwilkins - ... Some people newer learn ... This album by Urban Connection is splended! The norwegian magazin Puls reviewer Tor Hammerø comments:

"Alle som har hørt bandet live - enten på egen hånd eller for eksempel sammen med Michael Brecker under fjorårets Moldejazz - vet hvilken energibombe dette er, og UC 3 gir oss ytterligere bekreftelse på at bandet er i fortsatt vekst." (Anyone that has heard the band live - either on their own or as with Michael Brecker during last year's Moldejazz - know the energy bomb this is and UC 3 provides a further confirmation that the band is still growing. - My translation) and further more:

"... men de vet også å bevare intensiteten når de tar'n ned. Hvis vi skuer vidt for å finne en referanse eller to, vil Charles Mingus' lidenskapelige og kompromissløse måte å skape og tenke musikk på absolutt være relevant. (... but they also know to maintain the intensity when they take it down. If we look far to find a reference or two, Charles Mingus' passionate and uncompromising way to create and think music certainly would be relevant. - My translation) and:

"Urban Connection har akkurat gjort unna ei ukes turné i England og i oktober står Canada, Japan, Kina, Nepal, Sør Afrika og Baltikum for tur. Urban Connection er på alle vis klar for verden og verden har mye å glede seg til. (... Urban Connection have just done a weeklong tour of England and they move on in October, to Canada, Japan, China, Nepal, South Africa and the Baltics. Urban Connection is in all respects ready for the world and the world has much to look forward to. - My translation)

Hammerø, Tor (2004-09-28). "Urban Connection: UC 3" (in Norwegian). Puls.no. Retrieved 2012-11-25.Knuand (talk) 16:12, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

— Duplicate !vote: Knuand (talk • contribs) has already cast a !vote above. Relisted! Knuand (talk) 11:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The reviewer John Fordham of The Guardian states: "... Urban Connection turned out to have strong connections to the early acoustic ensembles of Ornette Coleman. Led by the imperious, hard-strumming bass sound of Steinar Raknes (a virtuoso with Charlie Haden and Jimmy Garrison associations), driven by the edgy, active drumming of Hakon Mjaset Johansen and featuring Frode Nymo's alto sax, the group sounded like a trio of long-time partners and restless risk-takers looking for adventure..."

Fordham, John (2004-09-16). "Dave O'Higgins - Pizza Express Jazz Club, London". The Guardian.co.uk. Retrieved 2012-11-25.Knuand (talk) 16:12, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To throw out meaningless statements about articles failing to meet WP:NALBUMS because of lack of reliable sources is Malicious attempts to destroy the work of others! You should seek for sourses yourself, before stating that there is non. If an article does'n cite references, is not the same as failing WP:NALBUMS... Knuand (talk) 16:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Reviewer Josef Woodard from the the prestigious jazz journal Down Beat comments: " ... Another fresh-sounding Norwegian act on the bill was the increasingly popular Urban Connection, an acoustic chordless trio with bass, sax and drums, finding its way between lyricism, tighten-up funk and post-bopping gymnastics. They assert a cool, nimble collective vibe. ... " Woodard, Josef (2012-06-05). "Bold Risk-Taking Elevates Vossa Jazz". Down Beat. Retrieved 2012-11-28. Knuand (talk) 09:23, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewers from ECS Nepal, when Urban Connection just after the release of UC 3 wisited the Jazzmandu festival 2004, states: " ... Urban Connection from Norway blew our minds away with their incredible improvisation and delightful techniques. Steinar Raknes playing the double bass with drums sticks left the audience in awe. Frode Nymo on saxophone was unstoppable and simply amazing. ... " Bomjan, Baishali; Rai, Dinesh (April 2004). "Jazzmandu 2004 - Putting Kathmandu on the International Jazz Circuit". ECS Nepal. Retrieved 2012-11-28. Knuand (talk) 10:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bassist review: " ... Steinar Raknes is one of Norway’s foremost jazz bassists and songwriters. With his fearless and explosive playing style, he is often compared with the legendary bassist and songwriter Charles Mingus. Many know Raknes through his work as composer and musician in the award-winning jazz trio Urban Connection, and for collaborations with artists such as Chick Corea, Michael Brecker, Steve Grossman and Per Texas Johansson. ... " "Jazz Bassist Review Article". Lastfm.fr. Retrieved 2012-11-28. Knuand (talk) 10:30, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The renowned Norwegian radio host and executive critic Erling Wicklund at NRK, comments: " ... Trioen Urban Connection er ute med sin tredje CD «UC3». Og musikken er ekstatisk, men ikke uproblematisk. ... På sin tredje CD prøver de å løfte seg ennå noen hakk mot ekstasen, og klarer det på et vis. Problemet er bare at når man starter i femte gir, hvor skal man da gå? ... " (The trio Urban Connection is out with their third album, «UC3». And the music is ecstatic, but not unproblematic. ... On their third album they try to lift themselves yet a few notches toward ecstasy, and manage it in a way. The problem is that when one starts in fifth gear, where should one go? - My translation). Wicklund, Erling (2004-10-01). "Forrykende ekstatisk" (in Norwegian). NRK.no. Retrieved 2012-11-30. Knuand (talk) 12:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer of the Norwegian newspaper Adresseavisen rated the album dice 5, and states: " ... Urban Connections tredje album er ikke musikk for folk med tynnslitte nerver. Sant å si kommer nok denne musikken best til sin rett når man er på hugget i en tett og svett jazzklubb. Men for den som er i god form og som liker saksofontoner som flerrer gjennom lufta, fungerer trioen utmerket også på cd. På sitt tredje album fortsetter bandet å rendyrke sin egen form for 60-tallsjazz. ... Enkelte ganger spiller Frode Nymo, Håkon Mjåset Johansen og bandets komponist, bassist Steinar Raknes bortimot brutalt, men til gjengjeld roer de ned med noen delikate ballader der de viser at de også behersker lyriske melodier. Da får vi igjen pusten og gleder oss til neste utblåsning, som alltid er like rundt hjørnet. ... " (Urban Connections third album is not music for people with frayed nerves. To tell the truth this music will probably provide the right when one is on a roll in a tight and sweaty jazz club. But for those who are in good shape and like saxophone tones that flutter into the air, the trio works excellent also on CD. On their third album, the band continues to cultivate its own brand of 60s jazz. ... Sometimes Frode Nymo, Mjåset Håkon Johansen and the band's composer, bassist Steinar Raknes plays almost brutally, but in return they calm down with some delicate ballads in which they show that they also masters the lyrical melodies. Then we get our breath back, and look forward to the next blow out, which is always just around the corner. - My translation). "Full gass og fine melodier" (in Norwegian). Adresseavisen. Retrieved 2012-11-30. Knuand (talk) 13:01, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer Geir Dahle of the Norwegian newspaper Bergens Tidende rated the album dice 4, and comments: " ... Som tittelen indikerer er dette plate nummer tre fra Urban Connection - bandet som ble utropt til Årets Unge Jazzmusikere for seks år siden. Den spillesugne og verdensvante troikaen serverer også denne gangen akustisk triomusikk med røffe kanter og drevet frem av energi. ... " (As the title indicates, this is album number three from Urban Connection - the band was declared the Young Jazz Musicians of the Year six years ago (1998). The play eager and cosmopolitan troika also this time serve an acoustic trio based energy driven music with rough edges. - My translation). Dahle, Geir (2004-10-20). "Fastlåst runddans" (in Norwegian). Bergens Tidende. Retrieved 2012-11-30. Knuand (talk) 14:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Slightly weak keep. May have received sufficient coverage to be considered notable, although several of the sources cited in the article are not reliable. A merge to the article on the group is a possibility, along with the articles on the group's other two albums, which have minimal content beyond tracklistings. --Michig (talk) 10:05, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The review by the Norwegian newspaper Smaalenenes Avis awarded the album dice 4, and comments: " ... Urban Connection har spilt sammen i mange år, noe som virkelig kommer til uttrykk i musikken på denne plata. Her er åtte orginallåter tuftet på improvisasjon i fyrrig og heftig samspill hvor lidenskap og dyktighet går hånd i hånd... " (Urban Connection has been around for many years, which really is reflected in the music on this album. The eight original songs are rooted in improvisation, with fiery and intense interaction of the musicians, where passion and excellence go hand in hand. - My translation). "Impro-groove" (in Norwegian). Smaalenenes Avis. 2004-11-25. Retrieved 2012-12-02. Knuand (talk) 14:04, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The review by the Norwegian student paper Universitas states: " ... For det spraker og trøkker og bopper i massevis når de nå går ut i et åpnere landskap hvor dynamikken skapes i et friere uttrykk... " (The music crackles and kicks with bebop in loads, as they mowe out into a more open musical landscape, where the dynamics are obtained in a freer expression. - My translation). Husby, Dag Stian (2004-10-06). "Hårreisende nybop pluss". Universitas. Retrieved 2012-12-02. Knuand (talk) 15:05, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The review by Mahesh Sajnani of the magazine Nepali Times states: " ... UC is inspired by the music of the 50s and 60s - hard bop/free bop as well as world music/folk music and the 70s jazz-rock. The band's expression is energetic, groovy and tight, and their music, which is original, is presented with a virility and freshness that is hard to find today... " Sajnani, Mahesh (2004-11-19). "Norwegian jazz group revisits Nepal". Nepali Times. Retrieved 2012-12-02. Knuand (talk) 15:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That Nepali Times article, if it is even a reliable source, barely say anything about this album. Several brief reviews in reliable sources suggest that the album is worth covering here but I still feel a merge to the group article might be the best approach. You have flooded this discussion with examples of coverage but it would be more useful to identify (and provide links to) a few sources that are genuinely reliable and also give the album coverage beyond brief reviews and mentions. --Michig (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It say something about the band Urban Connection, and their performance at the time of the UC 3 release. It also documents tours, partly resultant of the album. Knuand (talk) 17:26, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Puls is a major Norwegian music magazin (see also). Experienced reviewer Tor Hammerø at Puls, has in a thorough review of UC 3 pointed out that: " ... Nå er energibomba Urban Connection på plass igjen med sin tredje CD og i mine ører har de aldri vært bedre. Alle låtene - på én har han fått assistanse - er skrevet av evighetsmaskina Steinar Raknes. De som har hatt gleden av å følge Raknes på en av hans konsertmaratoner - f.eks. med Urban Connection raskt etterfulgt av The Core, ikke akkurat noe hvilehjem det heller - har skjønt at gutten er satt sammen av helt spesielle gener... " (Now the energy bomb Urban Connection in ready with their third CD, and to my ears they have never been better. All tunes - one track has been assisted - written by perpetuum Steinar Raknes. Those who have had the pleasure of following Raknes on one of his concert marathons - eg. by Urban Connection quickly followed by The Core, not exactly a rest home there either - have reasoned that the boy has been put together by special genes. - My translation) Hammerø, Tor (2004-09-28). "Urban Connection: UC 3" (in Norwegian). Puls.no. Retrieved 2012-11-25. Knuand (talk) 18:11, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like there used to be a Puls print magazine but it's now a webzine. Is that correct? If so, that looks like a decent example of coverage. --Michig (talk) 18:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is correct, it has had several periods as paper magazin, and by many Norwegians, including myself, considered the leading musical magasin in Norway in the late 70s (and the following decades). Knuand (talk) 18:50, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are three ratings by Norwegian newspapers, one dayly local newspaper Smaalenenes Avis, and the two leading newspapers outside of Oslo, Adresseavisen in Trondheim and Bergens Tidende, all awarded the album dice 4 or 5. The renowned Norwegian radio host and executive critic Erling Wicklund at NRK, gives UC 3 smashing review. (All refered to above.) Knuand (talk) 18:44, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as there seems to be enough coverage here to write a sourced article. - filelake shoe  13:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep article meets notablity and is sourced enough. Urban Connection also notable enough. Outback the koala (talk) 22:29, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - reviews, not taste, are how we evaluate the notability of albums. Bearian (talk) 19:48, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why are people so concerned about the vote? I thought the main thing was to "generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached". That it is not merely a vote, but a cosensus discussion! Knuand (talk) 21:28, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.