Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UCL Emperors American Football

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. sufficient consensus after relisting DGG ( talk ) 18:26, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

UCL Emperors American Football[edit]

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Very few British university sports teams are notable and this does not appear to be one of the exceptions. All references are connected to the subject with the possible exception of a blog post which appears to be related to one of its rivals. Google and other searches find nothing to demonstrate notability. Note that numerous similar articles were deleted back in 2009-10, e.g. Plymouth Blitz, Worcester Royals, and nothing of substance has changed since then in terms of profile of university-level American Football in the UK. Kahastok talk 22:12, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome should be to keep: The UCL Emperors are currently heading into their 2nd BAFA season. They hold the most successful record of any rookie team there has been in the UK having reached the Division 2 National Finals for American Football; a feat no other rookie team has ever reached. This Wikipedia article serves the purpose of chronicling their rise and falls throughout history - as any article would relating to a sports team. It also chronicles tradition, players and coaches of note, and records of achievement. Having been officially founded in 2015, and only entering BUCS in 2016, the Emperors, under ideal circumstances, could have only become national champions by the end of the 2019 season. If we were not to write about them until 2019 we would lose out on the possibility of several years worth of information that would be key to the teams elevation within the national circuit. UCL is also one of the largest and most prolific universities in the UK with many notable sports programmes. Mfoxallsmith (talk) 10:39, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately for this position, Wikipedia rules are that we should not be the only source for anything - we should only ever be restating what other sources have already said.

Very few British university sports teams meet our standard - the Boat Race teams, those university cricket teams with first-class status, that sort of thing. Even BUCS champions generally don't enough to get the coverage needed to meet the standard, so even if we accept that this team will be potential champions in a few years this is insufficient.

What we need if we are to keep is a demonstration that this club "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". The meaning of this phrase is described in detail at WP:GNG. I contend that such coverage does not exist.

Now, deletion does not mean you have to completely lose what's there. It can be emailed to you or probably moved to your user space if required. Per WP:LOSE, the fact that information would no longer be present on Wikipedia is not in and of itself a good reason not to delete. Kahastok talk 17:36, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - unlike in the US, university sport is almost wholly non-notable in the UK ("crowds" usually consist of a couple of dozen of the teams' friends, and even the most parochial local newspaper doesn't cover it), and this team seems to be no exception. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:11, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, A Train^talk 08:33, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:GNG. Also see WP:ORGSIG which states "No company or organisation is considered inherently notable. No organisation is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organisation it is." AusLondonder (talk) 04:01, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.