Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tybouts Corner, Delaware

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The result was no consensus. No consensus, and [user:Editorofthewiki|Editorofthewiki] has provided more sources. (non-admin closure) Peter303x (talk) 01:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tybouts Corner, Delaware[edit]

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Yet another "locality" badly copied into GNIS from Delaware Place Names, where by rights it should have been recorded as a "locale". Instead, it was elevated to "populated place", and now we've turned it into a "community". I did find some HABS pictures of Mr. Tybout's barn, and bit to the south is the Tybouts Corner Landfill, mildly notorious as a superfund site— I say "mildly" because the only references I could find were in official documents. At the intersection itself is a gas station, which has been there since the 1950s, and there are now the usual string of businesses, one of which has taken up the name. Notable ~~community~~ town? No. Mangoe (talk) 00:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is different from the other mass-created GNIS stubs. It has a name and has been and currently is inhabited and is/has been the site of businesses using the name. I would say it fits under the definition of an unincorporated community, but that's just my opinion. Waddles 🗩 🖉 05:29, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But what about sources? Geschichte (talk) 17:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Geschichte: GNIS, at the bare minimum. Though, I believe photos can also be used as sources. Other sources such as a place names origin publication listing the community could be used as one, if it exists. Waddles 🗩 🖉 17:55, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 05:58, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Delaware-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 05:58, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Photos would be primary sources... Geschichte (talk) 14:11, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WaddlesJP13, photos are indeed primary sources. And all they show is that the place exists, on which no doubt has been expressed. -The Gnome (talk) 07:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I'm not sure what would set this stub apart; most of the named intersections in Northern Delaware have since been covered in housing and commercial development. Topos from 1906, 1919, 1953 and 1993 show an increasing number of buildings in the general area, consistent with late-20th-century growth in New Castle County, but there doesn't seem to be anything historically clustered around this intersection and the Tybouts Corner label doesn't appear until 1993. Unless I've missed something, the only "business" that uses the name is "P+R Tybouts Corner" which is a park-and-ride lot. Newspaper articles are either about the landfill or simply using it as a reference intersection (between Rt. 273 and Tybouts Corner, for example). I'm not finding any sources that call this a community, so I would say that the label (which was made up by a Wikipedia editor) fails verification. But I'll change my mind if anyone can find sufficient sourcing that treats this as a community name in common use. –dlthewave ☎ 12:09, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Reviewing USGS topo maps. 1906: no label, a few houses some distance from the intersection located at the coordinates. Same in 1919 and 1953. A "Tybouts Corner" label appears in 1993, along with a highway cloverleaf and some houses to the north, northwest, and southeast. Google satellite maps show little of note (other than "Bob's Affordable Carpets", "Mobile 1 Audio" and "Masterbaiter's Bait and Tackle" to the north). There is a subdivision called Monterey Farms to the northwest -- I am not seeing much in the way of a community here, Google lists the coordinates as belonging to New Castle, Delaware. Perhaps someone can come up with historic sources here; otherwise, I will say redirect to New Castle. jp×g 02:44, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 04:49, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'm seeing a lot in the archives here, mostly in relation to the landfill but also about construction projects and the like. But this article profiles several residents of Tybouts Corner, indicated that is is, indeed, a community after all. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 00:55, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No one disputes that the subject plaxce exists and that it has a name! These two "attributes" on their own, alone, do not support inclusion in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not an all-encompassing collection of random information. -The Gnome (talk) 07:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My argument was not that it was a named place, rather that is is an actual community, with a population. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 01:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I made some general comments about at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Landenberg Junction, Delaware (2nd nomination) that apply here. Cxbrx (talk) 13:01, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your suggestion in that other discussion about placing it under a Redirect would not be out of place here, either, indeed. -The Gnome (talk) 07:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Eddy. If the newspaper is referring to it as a community, than it's a community.4meter4 (talk) 17:08, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a specific newspaper article that refers to a community/settlement? I haven't seen any (including Eddy's link) but I might change my mind if I did. –dlthewave ☎ 19:40, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dlthewave: I looked at Eddy's link. The place isn't directly referred to as a community, but it is indicated that it is one by implying people live in Tybouts Corner. Waddles 🗩 🖉 20:28, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All those "in"s do nothing more than establish an area around the junction. Mangoe (talk) 15:21, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Right, an area referred to as a community in several sources with a handful of residents. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 01:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Actually this is like any other mass-produced lemma for wannabe Wikipedia-worthy geographic locations. There is nowhere in any source an appellation that would enable us to consider this as a place worthy of inclusion here. We cannot project onto this subject our own viewpoints. -The Gnome (talk) 07:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable sources? Ok: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8][9] [10]. So it is patently untrue that there aren't sources here, as there are plenty to meet GEOLAND. It has non-trivial coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources, and not all of them are from Delaware -- Maryland and Pennsylvania newspapers have covered this community as well. This smells more like an WP:IDONTLIKEIT. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 01:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All but one of those are about the dump, and almost all of them are in the local newspapers. All of them are consistent with this just being a locale around an intersection. Mangoe (talk) 04:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is irrelevant that most of the sources are about the dump--not all, and the dump is an important location in Tybouts Corner. Further, not all are local news, and even if that was so, they have sufficient coverage for GNG. Whether it was just an intersection is also unimportat, as newspapers have considered it a community with residents. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 00:45, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seddon ^talk 23:02, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Per WP:GEOLAND, which states that places must have "non-trivial coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources." While I see Tybout's Corner mentioned in a couple of places, I see nothing significant about the place itself. There is no doubt that it exists, but it should not have its own article. Perhaps a redirect to New Castle? -Pax Verbum 06:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, with the proviso that @Editorofthewiki: actually write content from the sources listed above and add it to the article with appropriate referencing. jp×g 22:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming the article is kept, I will expand the article with the above sources. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 00:45, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lack of non-trivial sourcing, it was a crossroads with a barn that got wrapped up in the spamming of GNIS stubs throughout the state. Superman7515 (talk) 01:08, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Have you examined the sources to conclude that they are trivial? Because they seem pretty substantial to me. And while there are errors with GNIS, most locations do not have the sources this does. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 00:45, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Wikipedia is not about everything. Unfortunately this page was deleted for some reason. The closest existing equivalent I would find was Existence ≠ Notability. Minkai (talk to me) 13:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep assuming Editorofthewiki will expand it, it appears notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:18, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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