Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ty'Sheoma Bethea

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. the discussion appears to favour application of WP:BLP1E. No predjudice to recreation if coverage continues to be significant in a few months' time Fritzpoll (talk) 12:32, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ty'Sheoma Bethea

People don't become notable just by sitting next to a notable person. The girl has been mentioned in some news reports but this is one-event - WP:BIO1E. —Magic.Wiki (talk) 13:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Agreed; we can't have an article on every person invited by a President to sit in the gallery for an address to a joint session of Congress. Most of them would be perpetually stubs. Powers ^T 14:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete A one-event person. No sensible info to merge anywhere helpful. --Ged UK 15:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Presidency of Barack Obama I've reviewed my position, but I still don't think she's notable enough for her own article. The bulk of all of those stories are discussions about the school system or the Obama administration's position on education. I think that a redirect to would be fine (that article is 'missing' a section on education, so perhaps the sources used here would be a good place to start?) --Ged UK 08:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- — LinguistAtLarge • Talk 17:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'll defer to the more experienced Wikipedians here, but I will point out that (1) I didn't create an article on "every person invited by a President to sit in the gallery for an address to a joint session of Congress", (2) there's plenty more information that's publicly available that I didn't take the time to merge in, and (3) I strongly suspect that this will not be the last we hear about this supposedly "one-event person". The notable part of this is not where she sat, but what she did to get there. Sendhil (talk) 04:30, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, speaking only for myself, I didn't choose delete on the basis of who she sat next to, nor because I thought you created the article for that reason. At this point, she is only notable for one event, and that isn't enough to meet WP guidelines. I agree that she may well become more notable in the future, but we can't confer notability in advance of it happening, wikipedia isn'ta crystal ball. --Ged UK 08:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"What she did to get there" was write a letter, according to the article. That's not notable at all. Powers ^T 13:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is once the President makes it one of the major themes in his State of the Union address. Kuro ♪ 01:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Lots of people write letters to governments/presidents, a few get answered. Unfortunately, it doesn't mean they become encyclopedic. It might be worth mentioning in an article about the school, provided we can find some other basic information about the place. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Agree that information can be merged to an article on the school (apparently, Ben Bernanke attended that school as well). However, this one event does not make the person notable. LK (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BLP1E. Adam Zel (talk) 14:14, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep - The initial stub article doesn't create a fair impression of the subect's notability. In the past three day, Ty'Sheoma has become the subject of feature articles and columns in many of the world's major media outlets, including the Washington Post, The Independent, NPR, and The New York Times. I have added a sampling of these in a references section. This is not just another person invited into the gallery for a Presidential speech. Ty'Sheoma's words and actions have become a symbol for the dire need to improve America's crumbling eductational infrastructure. Please give this article a chance to be developed beyond its current stub. Having feature articles written about her in major media outlets surely overcomes the notability challenge and this article should be given a chance for development. Cbl62 (talk) 00:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See, for example, the following: Yes, Ty'Sheoma, there is a Santa Claus, Washinton Times, Criticizing Ty'Sheoma Bethea, Salon.com, Ty'Sheoma Bethea: Obama Inspired By Letter, Invites Young Student To Speech, The Huffington Post, Ty'Sheoma and the 'corridor of shame', The Independent, Why Doesn't Ty'Sheoma Have a Choice?, Washington Post, Don't let Ty'Sheoma be an excuse, The Sun News, Ty’Sheoma Bethea gets it: 'We are not quitters', Kansas City Star, First Lady’s Guests Reflect Speech Themes, The New York Times, and There's no quit in Dillon teen nor her teachers with York ties, The Herald Cbl62 (talk) 00:26, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The former "stub" has now been re-written using several of the feature articles on Bethea. Additionally, People magazine is publishing a feature article on Bethea in tomorrow's edition. I would ask those who have voted to delete when the article was a really poor quality stub to take a fresh look. Cbl62 (talk) 02:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Bethea's letter was one of the major themes of the President's address, and has been mentioned by several of the largest media institutions internationally. She has not only been mentioned in articles covering the President's address, but has also had articles written about her. For crying out loud, if the 'octomom' Nadya Suleman or Joe the Plumber passes the one event test, then Bethea's article should be well established for notability. Kuro ♪ 02:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Looking at the first comment by User:LtPowers on this discussion that reads: "we can't have an article on every person invited by a President to sit in the gallery for an address to a joint session of Congress." I must respond that each article must be discussed on its own merits, and not discussed as an intangible grouping. On its own merits this article is a keep - just look at the news references. Unionsoap (talk) 11:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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