Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twin Rivers Primary School

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 23:38, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Twin Rivers Primary School[edit]

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Primary schools do not get auto-notability. No indication of why this is notable. Rusf10 (talk) 04:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 04:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Zimbabwe-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 04:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There's zero references in the article and all I could find about it in a BEFORE is some trivial name drops in school directories and articles about how things. Plus, a few local news pieces about it opening. None of that passes the notability standards of WP:GNG or WP:NORG though. So, unless someone can find WP:THREE in-depth usable sources that I might have missed (although I doubt I did) there's zero reason to keep the article. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:43, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG, can't find any news reliable news for this. RockOften (talk) 16:40, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Out of interest, how many of you commenting above are Zimbabwean? How many of you have experience of what is notable and what is not notable within Zimbabwe? Do you understand the way in which things are reported or discussed online, either in Zimbabwe, or in Africa generally - especially given the lack of digitisation in our nations? Or do you just judge by Western, colonial and imperialist standards? How much of your commentariat is simple racism against African institutions? "Here is an African institution", you might say, "which does not live up to our European and American levels of coverage on the internet. Therefore it does not fulfil the criteria we have invented and by which only our Western institutions can succeed". That is exactly the criteria that the colonialists used to prevent black Africans from voting before Independence. Mangwanani ^(talk) 16:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mangwanani, Get off it. The only person espousing a political agenda here is you. This discussion is about whether or not this article reaches Wikipedia notability standards. That's all. Your remarks are incredibly in bad faith, almost to the point of being sanctionable You've not made a single argument toward Wikipedia policy at all. So please, as succinctly as possible, explain how this article meets some Wikipedia notability standard. Importance=/= notability, and if you wish to argue that Wikipedia has bias in its notability standards, Village Pump is the place to do that. 174.212.228.209 (talk) 20:38, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Playing the race card in an AfD, this is a new one. Your comments are disgusting.--Rusf10 (talk) 17:17, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am not playing anything. I have simply posited a few questions. I note you have replied to none of them. This is very revealing of how dismissive you are of African achievements. Mangwanani ^(talk) 08:02, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the racism card in AfDs isn't new at all. It frequently comes up in AfDs about anything outside of a few narrow "Western" places. I've been accused of it more then a few times myself. Including being called anti-sematic once for nominating an article about a donut business in Israel, because of course I must hate Jews if I'm nominating an article about a donut chain with only a few locations and zero references. Unfortunately, there's nothing you can really do about it. Except ignore it. If you even point out that someone is accusing you of racism they and other people will just counter that your being bad faithed and taking the person out of context. So, it what it is.

In the meantime, I find it hilarious that people like Mangwanani project their judgement of us all being "Westerners" with zero experience of how things really work in "Africa." As if doing so isn't as racist as what their claiming or like "Africa" is a homogeneous place with the same low standards or ways of doing things everywhere. The soft bigotry of low expectations in action. Personally, I'd say there is no such thing as "African achievement" because people from Africa aren't a single group and it's rather insulting to act like they are. That's just my "Westerner" perspective though and I don't feel a need to discuss it beyond that. Less the usual riff raff come slithering out of the boards to decry my comment as bad faithed incivility. Lesson of the day everyone, it's fine to call people racists. It's not fine to point out how the person is calling others racists. And that's all I'm saying about it (please don't come for me!!! Please!!!!). --Adamant1 (talk) 08:44, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But you still have not answered my question. Are you judging notability purely by Western standards of how much something appears on the internet? Because that it not a criterion for notability in Africa. For example, try and find a photograph online of the official State portrait of our illustrious former President, Robert Mugabe, who is now late. You will not find such a picture, except maybe one small one in low resolution. Yet this picture used to hang in every single public building in Zimbabwe. Does that mean this photograph is not "notable"? When you judge a fish by how well it can climb a tree, then it will surely always fail your tests. Mangwanani ^(talk) 12:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Flying Spaghetti Monster (he boiled for our sins. Prove he didn't). --Adamant1 (talk) 12:28, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I note you have replied to none of them. That's right! I refuse to respond to hateful allegations of racism.--Rusf10 (talk) 15:11, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There was but no allegation. I only asked the questions. I made no statement nor assertion. But I see from your Talk page that you have a record of maltreatment towards others. Come, come. Let this be a place of building and sharing humanity's knowledge, not deleting things out of spite because you see no importance of it. My friend, read this page for your enlightenment: Wikipedia:Chesterton's fence Mangwanani ^(talk) 20:08, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Seems to have produced one of the most prominent school choirs in Zim. NB per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES References to demonstrate notability may be offline, and this must be taken into consideration before bringing a page to AFD. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 09:56, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't the thing to do in that case be to create an article for the choir then? Or are you expecting an article about the school to not have any verified, in-depth details about it except for a section on the choir? --Adamant1 (talk) 07:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 07:12, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:35, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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