Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish genocide

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sandstein 07:33, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish genocide[edit]

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There's no definitive understanding of what "Turkish genocide" is. It is a vague expression that can only be clarified by saying "Turkish genocide of Armenians", "Persecution of Ottoman Muslims", "Turkish genocide of Assyrians" and etc. In other words, there's no verifiability whatsoever as to what Turkish genocide as a stand-alone term means. The disambiguation page alone cannot provide a solution to this problem, as evident by the recent discussion. The only way of resolving the matter is to delete the article. Étienne Dolet (talk) 03:32, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Seems like a reasonable disambiguation page. The phrase usually refers to the case of the Armenians but, as there are other notable possibilities, it is sensible to allow for them. Andrew D. (talk) 10:03, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article, at least to me, follows the WP disambiguation policy exactly. Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 11:46, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I now agree with the more substantial arguments against this article as it pertains to WP policies and guidelines regarding same. Thanks. Picomtn (talk) 10:05, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It does not follow WP disambiguation policy exactly. A disambiguation page exists to deal with "conflicts that arise when a potential article title is ambiguous because it refers to more than one subject covered by Wikipedia, either as the main topic of an article, or a subtopic covered by an article in addition to the article's main subject". But in this instance the phrase "Turkish genocide" is not used even once in any of the articles the disambiguation page links to. Where is the ambiguity? Where is the conflict? There is none. So, where is the justification for having this page? Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:17, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Vagueness is why we have DAB pages. –Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:27, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I agree with Andrew Davidson, that Armenian genocide is the primary topic. As such, I suggest we move the dab page to Turkish genocide (disambiguation), and redirect this page to Armenian genocide, with a hatnote there pointing out the dab page. –Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:30, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - It has no valid function as a disambiguation page. The phrase "Turkish genocide" is not used in sources dealing with the linked subjects Armenian Genocide, Assyrian Genocide, and Greek genocide, and the phrase does not appear in any of those articles. The phrase exists in Armenian Genocide denialist propaganda of the more crude sort. This is indicated through the numerous times that this page has been hijacked and filled with that propaganda: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11] (to give just a selection - there are many more). This page has since the month of its creation been repeatedly used to place propaganda onto Wikipedia. The page's status as a disambiguation page means that this invalid content avoids the normal AfD process for articles and so can be reinserted again and again. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. "Turkish Genocide" would normally be taken to refer to the genocide of Turks by some other group, not genocide committed by Turks. The title should be protected against re-creation. DGG ( talk ) 21:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with Tiptoe and DGG. The title should be protected against recreation. --92slim (talk) 21:47, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and lock as still questionable overall. SwisterTwister talk 05:18, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - While I understand the intent behind making the disambiguation page, the wording is indeed backwards, and I'm also persuaded that its existence is an unhelpful troll magnet. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:56, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.