Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turgut Doyurucu

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Props to Lambian's analysis. Also; reading Lambian's last statement and then looking down makes Cunard look like Canard. I found that amusing. Master of Puppets - _{Call me MoP! :D} 05:39, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Turgut Doyurucu

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I denied a speedy but this fellow appears to be non-notable and there are no sources. Couldnt find anything immediately relevant in google and google news and books were a wash out Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I made it into a stub and removed the "essay" tab. I have no opinion on the deletion, but if there's no source I guess there's no article. Surfer83 (talk) 23:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. 99.149.84.135 (talk) 03:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep for now~~ I think a Turkish editor should have a look and see if there are sources. There may be a spelling issue with the name as well as sometiems happens. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Can I ask what the policy basis for keeping this is CoM? Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm satisfied with the investigations undertaken that we are unable to established notability, or even the existence, of this musician. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless it can be established that there is a spelling mistake in the article name, since "Turgut Doyurucu" returns no non-Wikipedia Google results. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:53, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. "Turgut" is an existing Turkish given name and "Doyurucu" an existing Turkish surname, neither of which is very close to other existing names, so the lack of hits cannot be an issue of a simple spelling mistake. Amazon music gives no hits. Google searches of English pages on luthier+Turgut and luthier+Doyurucu also don't bring up anything. As it is, not only can we not establish notability from reliable sources, we also cannot establish this is not some lame hoax. If a musician has written over 100 songs, some of which have been performed by artists as notable as Zeki Müren, we should find some mention of his name somewhere, so this points to a hoax. I further also think this is a hoax for the following reasons. (a) The style of the original version of the article is much like other hoaxes I have seen, and it was likewise created in a complete and elaborate form out of the blue by a single-purpose account. (b) Turgut Doyurucu was claimed in the original version to have written the song "Akşam olur gizli" and donated it to Zeki Müren. Müren and other notable artists (e.g. Müslüm Gürses) have indeed performed a song by the name "Akşam olur gizli gizli ağlarım", but, according to the article Bir Sır Gibi in the Turkish Wikipedia and other sources, the music is by (Recep) Suat Sayın and the lyrics by Halil Soyuer. --Lambiam 20:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure it is a hoax and not simply a puffed up vanity piece? "Hoax" is a strong word.Surfer83 (talk) 23:24, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Sure" is also a strong word. What I can say with certainty is this: it looks like a hoax, swims like a hoax and quacks like a hoax. --Lambiam 17:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. —Cunard (talk) 21:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.