Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tumiso Rakgare

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The result was keep (non-admin closure). D💘ggy54321 ^(xoxo😘) 23:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tumiso Rakgare

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I don’t see any criterion from WP:NPOL met. A WP:BEFORE search links me to user generated sources sources such as their Facebook page. Celestina007 (talk) 20:39, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 20:39, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 20:39, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 20:39, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep meets NPOL as a nationwide elected official. Cabinet members are inherently notable. Besides, there are many local sources available via a quick Google News source. This source describes him as a MP.--User:Namiba 20:42, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The source you just provided above is unreliable as they lack editorial oversight. Could you be so kind as to provide to this AFD at least three reliable sources that proves he is notable? The source even used in the article boldly states that it is a press release so I’m not sure what you are talking about. The criterion(SNG) for politicians are well outlined in NPOL & he clearly doesn’t satisfy any of the two criteria & lastly he wasn’t voted in he was given a ministerial appointment. Celestina007 (talk) 20:57, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would disagree that the source of the article is unreliable. It is the official website of the government of Botswana, which determines the cabinet members. It surely is primary and secondary sources are preferable. However, a cabinet member of a national cabinet passes WP:NPOL ("The following are presumed to be notable: Politicians (...) who have held (...) national (...) office"), so Keep. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 21:07, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tristan Surtel, yes, you are correct my friend but bare in mind that NPOL states that they are “presumed” to be notable & not “guaranteed” to be notable. A google search of him shows they aren’t notable as they lack in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them. Celestina007 (talk) 21:19, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's a misinterpretation of the use of "presumption" in NPOL ... it's as in the presumption of innocence, the burden is to prove otherwise. A simple check of the Botswana Parliament website shows he's an MP. --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:57, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ministers are also MP's excluding those specially elected by the president. See the document referenced on the article.DownTownRich (talk) 20:26, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This meets NPOL because this a a minister and a politician who will be serving for the next four year. This article is part of information about Botswana which is highly missing from Wikipedia because the media here publish mostly using print. See other articles similar to Tumiso Rakgare -> Mpho Balopi, Peggy Serame, Kenneth Matambo, Thapelo Matsheka. You find out most editors might have information to add but there are no references which is key to Wikipedia that is why you find these articles at a minimum. Myself I have been trying to make this information available as I have created Government of Brunei, Government of Botswana, Botswana Communications Regulatory Authority and more which can be found here — Preceding unsigned comment added by DownTownRich (talk • contribs)
Comment If the information is missing and unable to be cited, how does this pass WP:V? Bigpencils (talk) 04:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The subject obviously meets WP:NPOL criterion 1 - he is a minister. There's also enough coverage: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Although the mentions are rather passing, they prove he indeed is a minister. Less Unless (talk) 21:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Yes, the article needs improvement — but he clearly holds an WP:NPOL-passing role. The question of whether sources exist or not is quite separate from the question of whether we have actually found and used all of the sources or not: cabinet ministers get coverage, that's a given. Bearcat (talk) 05:18, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Member of the Botswana Parliament, meets NPOL.--Goldsztajn (talk) 05:57, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:NPOL as a member of the Botswana Parliament. --Enos733 (talk) 03:10, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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