Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Troy Townsin

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The result was delete. This one is borderline, but the consensus is leaning towards delete. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 05:37, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Troy Townsin[edit]

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Non-notable author of non-notable books. Only one of the three references (the Goldsmith Gazette) has any kind of WP:SIGCOV, but it's a primary source. The Toronto Sun doesn't mention him at all, just a CD where he was a producer. Of his seven books, five are self-published, as is the CD. Doesn't pass WP:AUTHOR, WP:PROF, or WP:GNG. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 02:03, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. 02:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 02:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I found one more book review: A mouse, kitten, a traveling Santa. Not much there either, sadly. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 02:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article now cites four independent reviews of his books published by reliable media. It should be enough to meet WP:AUTHOR, No. 3. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 14:40, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:54, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak~~ delete (Removing the weak as I look more into it and realize how limited of a notability claim there really is) Working in the wine industry in Washington state, I am very familiar with the BC wine industry and I've heard of Troy before and seen him at BC events (though I've never personally met him). He is a bit of a "local celebrity" in the BC wine industry because of his local radio show and he does a lot of events for local wineries. The key word here is local and his influence doesn't extend beyond the small BC wine industry--not across the border in Washington and not even in Canada's other major wine regions in Ontario. Even his radio show segment doesn't get much play beyond Vancouver Island. Looking at available reliable sources on Ablegrape (a search engine geared specifically for wine reliable sources) shows very little independent, third party sources beyond local BC winery blogs and websites that offer any worthwhile WP:SIGCOV to help establish notability. My sentiment is "weak" because, again, he is pretty much a fixture at local BC wine events. But ultimately I fall on delete because I don't think just being a local wine fixture for a small wine industry is much of a claim for notability. Truth be told, every wine region has several "Troy Townsins" of their own doing local radio, podcasts, guest judging, self published books/blogs, etc but very, very few of them (even from major wine regions like Napa Valley) will ever have the kind of notability that should merit a Wikipedia article. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 23:57, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the research, Agne. He is noted as an author of children's books, not a wine critic (at least according to the sources cited in the article). --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 14:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well I would call him more of a wine writer/commentator than a critic since he is pretty much all about spreading awareness of and promoting British Columbia wine, particularly the vineyards on Vancouver Island. Typically wine critics, like Robert Parker, James Suckling and Tom Stevenson, etc are a little more objective and not necessarily tied so intimately towards just promoting a single, local wine industry.

Honestly, his claim of notability as a wine personality is the strongest claim he has (and as I noted above, it is a rather weak claim itself). All his children books are self published by the independent publishing company that he and his wife runs which only exist so far to promotes their own projects. That is a far cry from satisfying the criteria of WP:AUTHOR. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 17:38, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. According to World Cat, the only books published by Whitecap are Cooking with the wines of Washington and Cooking with the wines of Oregon. I did see on one of the publisher pages that he'd won awards. If we can find RS for those, we could then decide on their notability conveyance. To me the coverage just does not meet the mark needed for notability. I don't see that the self pub books are of any help as they are viewed as not even satisfying significance. The books do not seem to me to meet the requirements set forth in WP:BOOK Dloh cierekim 17:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not meet WP:Author. The coverage is not sufficiently in depth as the articles I can see deal with other subjects as well and the Highbeam is behind a paywall. The children's books are self-published. The other stuff does not have sufficient impact. Dloh cierekim 18:05, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

added or WP:PROF, or WP:GNG. Dloh cierekim 18:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Self-publishing has nothing to do with notability, and "awards" are not needed to meet WP:GNG. Yes, the Highbeam ref is behind a paywall, but it doesn't mean it is inaccessible, you are free to ask editors listed at Wikipedia:HighBeam/Approved to check the content. In a comment above, Agnes writes that "his claim of notability as a wine personality is the strongest claim" in the article, but the strongest claims are — in my opinion — those backed up by solid and reliable references. The sources currently present in the article refer to an author of children's books and CDs. The article has 8 citations, of which refs. No 1, 3, 5, 7 are substantial reviews of his works. The others are not that bad (they contain valuable information independent on the author). I value any verifiable information enriching this project and I can't see any benefits for our readers in deleting this kind of information. The article is expandable and has potential, even though it is a borderline case, as Frankie says below. Of course, it is just my opinion. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 06:39, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:AUTHOR, WP:BK, and WP:BIO. Qworty (talk) 23:26, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'll agree that it is borderline, but his work has been reviewed by many different sources. To add to those already noted, there's [1] [2] [3] and even an AMG write-up for the album [4] — Frankie (talk) 14:34, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:AUTHOR. None of the sources, including the suggested ones are sufficient to assert notability. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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