Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tropic Zone (film)

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The result was Withdrawn by nominator. Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 20:20, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tropic Zone (film)[edit]

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Film lacks notability. No WP:RSes have established its notability as a film. Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 05:09, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article's creator removed my Notability:Film tag and said "of course its notable." He then said in the talk page: "Dude, its a movie starring Ronald Reagan, released by Paramount Pictures. Of course its notable. A quick google search could tell you that." Unfortunately, a google search does not produce any WP:RSes that I could find proving notability re: WP:NOTFILM. And no notability is given via solely Reagan or Paramount, as said above. This movie has drifted out of memory. --Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 13:56, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

it had no impact, it does not meet these criteria: "Publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film's initial release" or "deemed notable by a broad survey of film critics, academics, or movie professionals, when such a poll was conducted at least five years after the film's release." or "given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release" or "was featured as part of a documentary, program, or retrospective on the history of cinema." or "received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking." Nor was it "selected for preservation in a national archive." Nor is it "taught as a subject at an accredited university or college with a notable film program." It's not notable, so delete it.--Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 13:56, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep At a quick glance of Google, i have already found 4 reliable sources [1], [[2], [3] and [4]. Its pretty insane that you would even nominate this. Koala15 (talk) 14:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's not cut and dry. Those articles are trivial. Meaning they aren't actual sources talking about the film, but simply listing the cast and crew, not discussing notability, or anything like that. They're trivial, by Wiki standards.--Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 16:08, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. To misquote Gwen Stefani, this [film] is bananas. Turning up online, unpaywalled sources for a 1953 B movie can take a little work, but just as Koala15 says, a Paramount theatrical release starring Ronald Reagan is self-evidently a notable picture. I've added a few sources; more can be seen (some behind paywalls or snippets) at GBooks, such as [5][6] --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:35, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I would consider only the second of those a WP:RS mentioning the film non-trivially, and this movie needs "Publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film's initial release" to meet the criteria WP has set previously.--Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 16:11, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Arxiloxos (talk) 17:20, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:08, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep You are shitting me, right? It stars Ronald Reagan! Read WP:BEFORE before wasting everyone's time. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 19:00, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

SNOW Keep per easily meeting WP:NF. An assumption that a film directed by Lewis R. Foster, produced by William H. Pine and William C. Thomas and starring Ronald Reagan, Rhonda Fleming, Estelita Rodriguez, Noah Beery Jr., Grant Withers, and John Wengraf is non-notable is ridiculous on its face. Pardon nominator... but did you actually look for sources before making up your mind, or did you chose to judge the article in an unimproved status? Film's "other attributes to consider" are NOT mandatory criteria... they are simply suggestions to encourage diligent before. And further, "Drifted out of memory" is NOT a deletion criteria. I urge you to read WP:NRVE to learn that topic notability is based upon sources being available, and not upon a use or not to cite a topic. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 20:08, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Okay okay, withdrawing my nomination. Also, AGF, En face, this film doesn't inherit notability, etc, etc. but I can see a lot of other people think it's notable. I did google search for sources, and as said above, it is actually pretty difficult to find them. Also, you can't just assume notability. There's a process for a reason. Even so, I'll withdraw because you all think it's notable. I recommend you all AGF, things aren't so black and white.--Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 20:20, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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