Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tracey Collins

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The result was redirect‎ to Eric Adams#Personal life,. Star Mississippi 18:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tracey Collins

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This is a low-profile individual who is not notable. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from her famous boyfriend. "de facto first lady of NYC" is not a factoid that confers notability. The NYT piece cited is a brief mention of her, and the WP:NYPOST source is unreliable for U.S. politics. WP:BEFORE produced only this in addition. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:02, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politics, and New York. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:02, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom or merge to Eric_Adams#Personal_life, these souces do not justify a separate article since she does not have even an informal public role. Reywas92^Talk 17:33, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I see a NY Post article with her as the main focus as well as a People article and a few others. Sure, this page is going to be brief but it's still notable enough to keep. Nweil (talk) 17:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I commented on those. They do not establish notability. Have you seen WP:NYPOST? There is consensus the New York Post is generally unreliable for factual reporting, especially with regard to politics, particularly New York City politics. A tabloid newspaper, editors criticise its lack of concern for fact-checking or corrections, including examples of outright fabrication. Editors consider the New York Post more reliable before it changed ownership in 1976, and particularly unreliable for coverage involving the New York City Police Department. A 2024 RfC concluded that the New York Post is marginally reliable for entertainment coverage; see below. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not positive the subject of Tracey Collins falls under "politics". You said yourself she is a low-profile individual. I get that this is all tangentially related to politics but the tone of that article does not seem slanted or biased in a political way. I think the RfC does not apply here. Nweil (talk) 18:08, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Neither the NY Post nor People would have published those if not for her relationship to Eric Adams, hence NOTINHERITED and the connection to NYC politics. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - You’re Crystal Balling with that claim. An alternate timeline is unknowable. The point is that they were written. Nweil (talk) 05:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Written in relation to Adams. It's not crystal balling to say she'd remain low profile without the relationship. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Authors, Women, and Louisiana. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:10, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Eric Adams. An article about a person is an article about a person, even if the motivation for writing the article was the person's relationship. NOTINHERITED isn't about discrediting sourcing about that person, but discrediting the idea that someone is automatically notable for their relationship. That said, there's just not enough sources about Collins directly to support WP:BIO at this point. Add to that the ongoing legal issues around Adams will likely mean this bio will run into WP:BLPCRIME issues, and I think it makes sense to just redirect here. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete “per nom or merge to Eric_Adams#Personal_life … since she does not have even an informal public role,” per Reywas92. The New York Post is a tabloid notorious for its headlines and isn’t a reliable source for such purposes: “ There is consensus that the New York Post … are considered to be marginally reliable sources for entertainment coverage, including reviews, but should not be used for controversial statements related to living persons.” I also want to remind you all of a longtime precedent that we almost always delete articles about education administrators. If we keep this, we either need a crispy clear change of consensus, or we need to address the issues that would be raised. Please don’t go there. Bearian (talk) 18:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Every article about her is directly tied to her relationship with Adams. Hiphopsavedmylife (talk) 18:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The mayor of New York City is the most prominent mayoral position in the United States. The spouse/partner of the mayor is treated like that of a state's governor. Have there been discussions about the notability of a governor's significant other? I would apply them to the First Lady of NYC if so. Thriley (talk) 20:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The significant others of Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg were not treated akin to first ladies of a state. De Blasio's wife, Chirlane McCray, has independent sourcing directly about her, not her husband. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. The New York press has historically covered the First Lady of New York with the same interest as if she were the wife of the governor of New York State. Thriley (talk) 23:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And yet, we don't see evidence of that with RS going into Collins as a person, just passing mentions in articles about Adams. McCray served in the role, Collins has avoided it, it would seem. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If I were to guess, she has been deliberately low profile during his administration due to the concerns raised during the campaign. Thriley (talk) 23:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Eric Adams, as suggested by Rhododendrites. Qflib (talk) 14:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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