Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toshiaki Kuwahara

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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:56, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Toshiaki Kuwahara[edit]

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Declined PROD. Notability. No reliable, secondary sources (etc.) on which to establish the notability of this voice actor under WP:GNG. Also fails WP:ENT. Article has been tagged as an unsourced BLP since 2008. PROD tag removed but no WP:RS added. Links on japanese wiki had been checked before applying the PROD template. Plad2 (talk) 07:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. —Plad2 (talk) 07:28, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. —Plad2 (talk) 07:30, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The tag said the reason for prod was "Long-term unreferenced biography of a living person. No reliable sources found. Listing at AnimeNewsNetwork not a WP:RS]" So I deprodded that. All information is confirmed on the guy's official website. As for notability, I think his long career, in many notable works, makes him notable. Dream Focus 07:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- "All information is confirmed on the guy's official website." = clear violation of WP:SELFPUB #5: "the article is not based primarily on such sources." Also WP:NOTINHERITED, so being "in many notable works" does not automatically make him notable (especially as he is only the voice, not the voice&vision, and only in a single language-market -- how many languages have these "notable works" been dubbed into?). Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 16:47, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No reliable third-party sourcing or indication that any of the roles listed here are sufficient to establish notability. --DAJF (talk) 10:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- —Farix (t | c) 12:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All of the roles I've checked out were extremely minor, thus failing WP:NACTOR, which require several significant roles. Being what is essentially an extra, or background character, in a number of works does not make one notable. —Farix (t | c) 12:30, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't being the voice actor who dubs the part of a regular cast member in a popular show or that of a character in a big budget Hollywood film, make him notable? I don't see how dubbing an actual show like ER, is less notable than dubbing a cartoon character in an animated show. WP:NACTOR says "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." I would think that counts. Dream Focus 14:04, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any evidence that he has done the voice of any significant characters. All the parts he has done have been minor parts. —Farix (t | c) 15:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In The West Wing the character Leo "Thomas" McGarry is the Chief of Staff for six seasons. He did the dub for him. Dream Focus 17:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure about this? Thomas is only this character's middle name, not his nickname, and is never mentioned except when he's giving his full name (e.g. when testifying before Congress). He is never called, baldly "Thomas", the only name given in the article. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 17:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there another character named Thomas? I wonder if they call him by his middle name in the Japanese dub version, or Google translator is wrong. Is there a Japanese version of the show's site listing the cast? I'll go and check on that now. Dream Focus 17:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It seems unlikely -- John Spencer (actor) was in his late 50s at the time -- so it seems unlikely they'd have him dubbed by a voice actor in his early 30s. It also seems unlikely that the Japanese would latch onto a middle name mentioned at most only a handful of times in the English version. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 18:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The only other "Thomas" is "Thomas Bailey", a side character of the series. —Farix (t | c) 19:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Bailey is mentioned a few times, but never seen. It is entirely possible however that some extremely minor, easily forgotten, on-screen character was named Thomas (but was too minor to be listed in List of characters on The West Wing). It is also at least as likely that some random minor character got renamed "Thomas" in the Japanese-dubbed version, as that they unaccountably decided to call Leo by his very infrequently used middle-name. This is why we require reliable, unambiguous sources for such things. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 02:35, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: no reliable third-party coverage. No indication that he even dubbed a major role (who the hades is the "Thomas" he was meant to have dubbed on The West Wing?). Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 15:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- (Ditto, who the hades is the "Costello" he was meant to have dubbed on Prime Suspect? -- I can find no mention of that character either. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 06:03, 1 December 2010 (UTC) )[reply]

Note: The article under discussion here has been flagged for {{rescue}} by the Article Rescue Squadron. SnottyWong ^confess 16:56, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No reliable third party sources. SnottyWong ^confess 16:56, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- no substantial coverage in reliable secondary sources, as far as I can see. All I have been able to verify is that this person exists and has a moderately awesome job. Big deal. Reyk _YO! 23:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Significant verifiable information from reliable 3rd party sources not connected with the subject, rather than info on their webpage is needed to establish notability. Dloh cierekim 00:25, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Notability is not inherited. While he has worked in notable series, his roles have been minor at best and frequently mere extras. Edward321 (talk) 05:29, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: please note, Toshiaki Kuwahara did not dub the voice for Leo McGarry for the Japanese-language of The West Wing. The Japanese Wikipedia article (Google translate) reveals that one "T. Sasaki" did so. According to that article, Toshiaki Kuwahara did not dub any of the major roles. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 15:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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