Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tony Schwartz (coach)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Notability has not been clearly established here, but if someone wants a copy on their userpage to work on, drop me a note. Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Tony Schwartz (coach)[edit]
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Non-notable athletic coach. Only claims to fame are that he wrote a chapter (not the whole book, just a chapter) in a book, and edited two others on the subject of strength training. References provided are not reliable sources, just a handful of YouTube videos, his own web site, a couple of flyers, and bookseller listings of books he edited. No independent coverage of why he is notable. Google turns up very few relevant hits - most are instead about the advertising executive. Just not enough here to make him notable. (Contested speedy.) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 15:48, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No reliable sources, and no real assertion of notability. Bart133 (t) (c) 16:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - youtube.com and athleticmusclebuilding.com are not very reliable sources. Fails WP:N as well. Happyme22 (talk) 17:17, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I understand that these are not considered reliable sources. I only added these sources at the request for more sources by Realkyhick. These non-reliable sources can be removed if that's the issue. But I believe the real issue is the notability of the subject. I think the fact that he has edited books, written articles and spoken at conferences on the topic of athletic performance proves that he is notable in this area. I don't think we need a newspaper article to validate these facts, the references I've provided are sufficient evidence that he has in fact done these things. From what I have read in WP:N it would seem this article passes the standard. As someone in the sports training community I would undoubtedly say that he is notable in our field. Obviously I may be a little out of my league here, since this is my first page, but it seems a little odd to me that this would be requested to be deleted. Tom122079 (talk) 10:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Yes, we do need independent references like newspaper articles. All the references you have provided so far are either created by him, or seek to promote him in some way. They are not independent. The fact that he has done these things does not in itself make him notable. We need proof that others who have no personal or professional connection to him see him as notable, and you have provided no sources to show that. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 14:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: The first source in the list proves that someone who has no connection to him sees him as notable. That's not enough to make him famous or the pre-eminent person in the field, but it does make him notable. If we need to remove the other sources I understand that, but I don't understand the removal of the entire article. Tom122079 (talk) 21:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No, one person mentioning a passage of a book on their web site does not by itself make a person notable. If that were the case, anyone could make almost anyone else notable by posting something about them on a web site. There just isn't enough. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: The first source in the list proves that someone who has no connection to him sees him as notable. That's not enough to make him famous or the pre-eminent person in the field, but it does make him notable. If we need to remove the other sources I understand that, but I don't understand the removal of the entire article. Tom122079 (talk) 21:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Yes, we do need independent references like newspaper articles. All the references you have provided so far are either created by him, or seek to promote him in some way. They are not independent. The fact that he has done these things does not in itself make him notable. We need proof that others who have no personal or professional connection to him see him as notable, and you have provided no sources to show that. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 14:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.