Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tongan National Rugby League

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Tonga National Rugby League. as an ATD Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tongan National Rugby League

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Article has a signle reference which isn't actually anything to do with the article subject. Google searching the topic only returns the Wikipedia and the Facebook page. "Official Website" is a GoDaddy domain sale site. Mn1548 (talk) 12:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Rugby league and Oceania. Shellwood (talk) 13:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 16:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep (provisionally) on grounds of WP:NEXISTS (sort of).~~redirect to Tonga National Rugby League. Deletion not the best outcome because this article pre-exists the redirect target -- the target started as a redirect to this article -- and we should retain the history.

This article [1] tells part of the story - they got kicked out of the International Rugby League and had no support from the Tonga government. And this [2] from last week says Tonga has been readmitted under new management. The second one is primary, and I haven't found a source that reported the announcement although I have seen articles about the Tonga team already scheduled for matches.

Adding to the confusion, in 2013 a retired editor may have had a tendency to unconstructively edit rugby pages, e.g., [3]. This diff shows what was added to the article, suggesting that even if though it wasn't a hoax to begin with it became one later. TNRL Global Insurance redirect should probably be deleted.

So deleting the article right now may leave them with no article for the team. The article as it stands is a hot mess, but it exists and could perhaps be salvaged.

Happy to hear further views on this. Oblivy (talk) 11:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you have confused the subject of this AfD with Tonga National Rugby League. This AfD is for the competition Tongan National Rugby League where as the sources provided relate to the governing body which is linked first. Mn1548 (talk) 17:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or this may just be me getting confused on the differences between revision. In that case a redirect to Tonga National Rugby League could be a better option (for now) so at least the page history is still there for anyone who wants to attempt to salvage it. Mn1548 (talk) 17:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is helpful.

As I understand it, Tonga National Rugby League was created as a redirect to Tongan National Rugby League by the person who had at the time renamed Tongan to TNRL Global Insurance Cup. Then Tonga was rebuilt as a good faith article while TNRL/Tongan remained a piece of trash article.

So the proper thing would be to delete Tongan and then Tonga needs to be updated? I still think the TNRL redirect page is unlikely to be of any value.

Note: I haven't included diffs as this is all quite convoluted. But the history of the articles around 2013 shows the moves by @Renamed user 9r8u7g6b5y4n3r2l1 Oblivy (talk) 23:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I still feel deletion is the best course of action. The Tonga article is clearly about the governing body whereas the TongaN article is trying to be both the governing body and competition AND is unsourced. Plus I can't find anything to suggest the competition is notable as a stand alone article. Mn1548 (talk) 10:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed my vote to redirect. The history of these articles is messy and I don't really feel like pulling them apart to see if there's any common history. A redirect is pretty harmless and it could pass for accidental misspelling if you don't view edit history. Oblivy (talk) 01:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This is a confusing situation with two articles with nearly identical page titles. A few more opinions here would be welcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:01, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete one source is not enough to stand need more sources. Xegma(talk) 12:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.