Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toby 'TobiWan' Dawson

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The result was delete. interviews are primary and therefore do not add to notability. Keep votes based on interviews therefore discarded. Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Toby 'TobiWan' Dawson[edit]

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Not seeing any notability here at all. The Drover's Wife (talk) 23:51, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Incomprehensible, and no real evidence that the subject meets WP:BIO Nick-D (talk) 01:25, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails GNG, content present is trivial at best. Sergecross73 msg me 01:51, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Well, there these two sources: [1] from The Verge and [2] from Zeit Online. I admit two interviews isn't very compelling. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 08:37, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Just some interviews he's had (and therefore passes GNG) MSI, Sport1DE, redbull, Zeit. Also, the references has even more. Finally, he's casted one of the biggest tournaments in eSports and arguably in the world, The International 5, so if you want to delete it atleast WP:TNT it. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 10:00, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - @Nick-D: I guess I will put him under entertainer since there isn't a eSports notability section. He's had significant roles (casting The International 5, 4, 3, 2 ,1 and Frankfurt Major 2015). The community voted on who will cast those finals, so I guess him out of 15 different casters winning will count as a large fan-base. For #3, he was the person that pretty much started the DotA 2 casting scene. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 10:12, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Really, it comes down to whether or not he meets the WP:GNG. Are there third party sources covering him in a significant manner? I'm not really convinced yet, some of these sources don't look so reliable, and interviews are usually considered more of a first party account, not third party coverage, unless there's a lot of article before/afterwards. Then there's the problem of so little content being present currently in the article... Sergecross73 msg me 14:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Also of note - if you look at the article history, you'll see that the article was created by DatGuy as a draft at WP:AFC, the submission was declined by Onel5969, and then DatGuy proceeded to publish his draft anyways, 20 minutes later, without any improvement. So the article creator, and sole "keep" !vote, created the article despite being advised of major notability issues. Sergecross73 msg me 17:40, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now at best as there are some sources but nothing fully convincing yet. SwisterTwister talk 23:47, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The Verge source in the article is in depth and reliable. Other reliable sources not hard to find, as per above. - hahnch e n 13:37, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti ^Talk 16:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and cleanup - Coverage in reliable sources as noted above, here are even more hits from the reliable video game sources search engine. Page definitely needs some work though.--Prisencolin (talk) 23:51, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can you point to some in particular that cover him in significant detail, aren't entirely interviews, and are from WP:VG/RS? All you did is link to a blank Google search page. The "Verge" source is really the only one that meets all three of the above... Sergecross73 msg me 16:06, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well to be honestly there's only this Kotaku article that's primarily about him, otherwise here's mentioned in this, this, this, and this (2/5 of the videos in the last one are by Tobiwan (apologies from the ref overkill). The sources that are found elsewhere should suffice to indicate notability.--Prisencolin (talk) 19:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep, imo: notability exists. The content is poor and the article needs improvement, I have tagged the article accordingly. Aeonx (talk) 10:24, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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