Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tiocfaidh ár lá
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Dictionary definition, with no potential for expansion. The article is not linked to by any IRA-related article. Scolaire (talk) 18:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. —Scolaire (talk) 18:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I don't believe the article has no potential for expansion. It already mentions "Chucky" and "Tiocfaidh Armani", which Wiktionary probably can't do. Other possible non-dictionary info:
- Was it in fact coined by Bobby Sands, some other Republican;
- is it inspired by a similar slogan of some foreign revolutionary?
- is it unidiomatic Irish coined by a Republican who learned gaolge in Long Kesh, sneered at by native speakers?
- is there a more idiomatic prase used by such native speakers?/
- Has it been used unironically by non-Republicans? If it was not in fact coined by Republicans, did non-Republicans stop using it after Bobby Sands?
- In the Máire Nic an Bhaird case, she allegedly was understood to have said "Tiocfaidh ár lá" and this allegedly contributed to her arrest: are there freedom of speech/inflammatory language legal implications, or were there before the Peace Process?
- Can one idiomatically say Tiocfaidh/Tháinig bhúr/mo lá, etc
- Has anyone, Republican or otherwise made a "the war is over and we won/lost" type speech incorporating some variant like "(níor) tháinig ár/bhúr lá"
- Was it in fact coined by Bobby Sands, some other Republican;
- I only state these questions; I am not qualified to answer any; perhaps there is no verifiable source that answers any. Or perhaps not. An argument that often comes up on dictdef deletions is "even if it could be more than a dictdef, currently that's all it is; let's delete it now and if someone wants to recreate it they'll have to start it off at a higher standard." I am ambivalent about such arguments. jnestorius(talk) 22:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. It's substantially more than a dictionary term. It's a political slogan and concept. The article's references establish its notability. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:43, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, notable political slogan, frequently reproduced in republican merchandice. --Soman (talk) 09:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep very notable political slogan. BigDuncTalk 22:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.