Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of U.S. Presidents and wars they started

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 11:41, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of U.S. Presidents and wars they started[edit]

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Not a list as such, but merely a placeholder for a chart the creator put together, which can't be easily edited. Title is certainly POV; for example, FDR didn't invade Poland or bomb Pearl Harbor. BilCat (talk) 01:45, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. This information is highly subjective, and there is no detail given whatsoever. There are also no sources for any of this information. {MordeKyle} ☢ 01:47, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is based off of Timeline of United States at war. Wikideas1 (talk) 01:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it should be Timeline of U.S. Presidents and wars so it seems more neutral. Wikideas1 (talk) 02:08, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

LOL..Done...I know we are a very important country but we didn't start World Wars One and Two.Thoughtmonkey (talk) 03:05, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Actually very cool, but pure original research to present the data this way. Thoughtmonkey (talk) 03:00, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I will change the title as suggested.Thoughtmonkey (talk) 03:00, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete A PDF chart presented as an article; POV violation; copied an existing template and combined it with an unsourced chart of cool information; quite difficult to edit, let alone expand upon. Drdpw (talk) 03:18, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I could change the war bars to all the same color (purple) so it is completely neutral. Would you allow it to stay up then? Wikideas1 (talk) 03:58, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Among other things, some of these so-called "wars" weren't. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:20, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Which ones? Wikideas1 (talk) 04:25, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aegean Anti-Piracy Operations, 2nd Sumatran Expedition, Bombardment of San Juan del Norte, etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:14, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:SNOW. "Which ones?" Laughable question. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 04:27, 9 December 2016 (UTC) I note that the article title has been changed. So let's get rid of this one and move on to the next AFD. 04:33, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You guys are no good for Wikipedia "censorship". Wikideas1 (talk) 05:37, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:00, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:00, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete There are some OR concerns that are possibly irreconcilable. For instance, the Apache Wars didn't clearly end on 1900 and most of the items from List of American Indian Wars are not included. A graphical display of this information may require quite a bit of editorial decision making to figure out how to explain the Renegade period of the Apache War and to decide how to show the Indian Wars (as individual conflicts, ad a single conflict, to include some but not others, etc). I am not sure there is a NPOV way to display Indian War information in a simple timeline. Smmurphy^(Talk) 19:27, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTIMAGE, which expressly tells editors they need to use text to convey information -- not one massive attachment. Text is revisable. This is one editor trying to lock in his version of history in a PDF image. This is not the Commons. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:43, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia needs graphs, tables, charts, and timeline tools like Numbers for Mac (spreadsheet), Excel, or OpenOffice. Wikideas1 (talk) 23:17, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it needs images but not as the entire article content, for god's sake. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:22, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm talking overal, Wikipedia needs better tools to edit instead of doing it third party with a different app or program. Wikideas1 (talk) 00:46, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:39, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per WP:NPOV and one image used to present entire article. Ajf773 (talk) 20:40, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Inherently POV title. Carrite (talk) 21:22, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
An article should be made with this information. Something you can sort through and click links to. I find it interesting only one time in history was there a president who wasn't involved in a military conflict. Instead of calling it a war, you can call it a military conflict or military operation. This is encyclopedic information. Dream Focus 08:54, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

– Dream Focus, there's already, List of wars involving the United States, Timeline of United States at war, and List of the lengths of American participation in wars, among others. This particular "article" is not an article, but a highly subjective media file with no accompanying text. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 21:39, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.