Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Till We Ain't Strangers Anymore

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Withdrawn per WP:HEY. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Many otters • One hammer • HELP)} 01:57, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Till We Ain't Strangers Anymore[edit]

This song does assert notability as being a charted single in two countries by two very notable artists (although I can't verify the German chart positions), but I have been unable to find any non-trivial coverage regarding the song itself. The only sources I could find that even mentioned the song said nothing about it other than "it's a duet on the album", thus leaving this song without any individual notability. I have tried twice to redirect to the album as WP:NSONGS dictates ("articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album") but have been undone by editors who apparently think that chart singles are inherently notable. As this AfD shows, it is very possible for an article about a charting single by a notable artist to be deleted. Given that there's absolutely nothing to say about this song besides "it barely scraped the country charts and LeAnn Rimes sang on it", I think that the article should either be deleted, or redirected and protected. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Many otters • One hammer • HELP)} 22:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Looks notable enough to me, winning a ~~CMA~~ CMT award and getting on the charts makes it a keep in my mind. -Marcusmax(speak) 23:07, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Charted in Germany and US, and won a ~~CMA~~ CMT award. TubularWorld (talk) 23:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Read it again. That's CMT, not CMA. An award from a network. Also, do you really think simply charting makes it inherently notable? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Many otters • One hammer • HELP)} 23:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- I'^mperator 23:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A charting, award winning song by two notable artists, however lame the song is,should be included as per "songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable" Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 23:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did you miss the "probably"? This is clearly an exception to the rule as there are NO FREAKING SOURCES. It will NEVER BE MORE THAN A STUB. Why even bother if you can't even get past two sentences? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Many otters • One hammer • HELP)} 23:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You shouldn't need me to quote WP:CIVIL, chill out. Have you looked for sources? Maybe someone reads its background story one day and puts that in. It gets covered, put that in. If not, it stays a stub for a while, so what? There's thousands of articles that are gonna be stubs for a long time until the collaborative nature of wikipedia gets them built up into bigger articles. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 23:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I have looked for sources, I said that already. And country music is one of the most stagnant subjects on Wikipedia, no one can ever be arsed to build up the country music articles. This one is going to be a stub forever because there is no source coverage. Plain and simple. And what's so bad about redirecting this anyway? Isn't that EXACTLY what WP:NSONGS says? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Many otters • One hammer • HELP)} 00:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First off thanks for correcting me on my mistake with the CMT award thing, but at the same time let me reiterate that winning a notable award can help establish notability. This award though I am guessing not as prestigious as some can help establish notability. Although this may sound a bit like synthesis, when you add in the fact it is a charted song this appears to make the article meet our notability standards. -Marcusmax(speak) 00:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article looks much better now, but this still looks like about as big an article as we'll get. I read a dozen reviews of the album, and none even mentioned the song in terms other than "it's a duet with LeAnn Rimes". I still don't see what's so bad about a redirect, and would probably go with a "third time's the charm". Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Many otters • One hammer • HELP)} 00:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Dylanfromthenorth Jenuk1985 | Talk 01:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.