Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/This Is Jesus Culture

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The result was keep. bibliomaniac 1 5 04:37, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This Is Jesus Culture[edit]

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I did a PROD on this a while back due to lack of notability which was rejected, but the person suggested doing an AfD instead. Most of the sources are trivial album track listings. Except for a single, none in-depth album review on AllMusic. I couldn't find any more reviews in a search either. So, it lacks enough substantial secondary in-depth coverage to meet notability standards. I'd also be fine with merging it to Jesus Culture. Btw, I am aware it has technically "charted," US Christian Albums is a dependent chart. So it does not work for establishing notability. Especially with the lack of multiple sources containing in-depth coverage. Adamant1 (talk) 03:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - it's part of a chronology series and both of the others (2014, 2016) are on Wikipedia. peak chart ranking 15. Chris Quilala and Kim Walker-Smith who both have their own articles, are featured on all the tracks. notable reviewer mark deming comment the most popular and respected Christian music groups of their day. is not just a passing mention - most popular and most respected confer notability.Grmike (talk) 05:09, 1 May 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

Notability isn't inherited. While the band might be notable and worthy of an in individual article, not everything they do is. Also, I repeat my comment in an another AfD that you should learn the notability guidelines. Instead of just voting keep on almost everything due to personal opinions. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Review at AllMusic (which is present), charting on Billboard on a fringe chart, and I have no idea what a "dependent chart" chart is, and I've been reviewing for a while. I did a WP:BEFORE and found a review at cross rhythms and [hallels.com, but it is not reviewed at JesusFreakHideout.com. All of these reviews are sufficient to meet GNG. I did not try CCM or other online magazines, but likely would have found them there as well. I saw @Jax 0677:'s edit summary and saw that the suggestion was that you should have created a redirect. @Kuda188: and @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: as they have both edited the article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment@Walter Görlitz: see WP:CHARTMATH and Christian Albums Chart where it says Christian Albums Chart is "Like the Billboard 200." Which is mentioned as a dependent chart in WP:CHARTMATH. Also, @Jax 0677 gave doing AfD as an option on my talk page. Which you should know, because you replied to it. Thanks for the accusation that I'm lying about it though. Further, I would consider you pinging multiple users (who you know will probably vote keep) just because they have edited and created the article, a form of AfD shilling and vote cheating. Neither of which are acceptable last time I checked. Especially when it comes to pinging people who have just edited an article. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- You're confused about dependent charts. There are no charts that feed into Christian Albums Chart. It's based on sales alone. Sorry. Too late to revoke and I doubt they'll !vote. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:49, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - How exactly am I confused about it? I'd like to know so I don't make the same mistake in the future. Also, why does the article say they are "Like the Billboard 200" then? I'm just going off what the article says. It can be based on sales and still be dependent anyway. The Billboard Hot 100 is. So, that has nothing to do with it. You never know, they might vote. Are you saying vote shilling is OK as long as it doesn't work out though? --Adamant1 (talk) 06:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - The example there is a single chart that is derived by weighting airplay and two different sales channels. If you were to report Hot 100 as well as any category of Hot 100 Airplay, Hot 100 Sales and Hot 100 Streaming Songs you would have redundancy. US Christian Albums is like the 200 in that they are both based solely on sales. No airplay charts are involved. Neither is a derivative of the other. 200 is overall sales so it's conceivable to have a Mainstream Rock, R&B, Classical, Jazz, Christian, Country, and Dance album all on the 200, while it would be unlikely to have the same album on all of those charts. Those charts are all based on sales with the 200 being the most important in the US. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - Re "No airplay charts are involved." "Like the Billboard 200, the data is compiled by Nielsen Soundscan based on each album's weekly physical and digital sales, as well as on-demand streaming" How is on-demand streaming not comparable to airplay? It's exactly the same thing. I.E. people listing to it without directly purchasing it. In other words, not sales, but as well as sales etc. Therefore, weighing different channels. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        BTW, do you happen to have an opinion of where the cut off for notability when it comes charting is? I'd imagine something like charting 400th on a weekly sub, second or third tier chart probably wouldn't be all that notable on it's own. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:04, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        The two charts are calculated the same way. That's all. Albums that chart high on one of the genre-specific charts will also chart on the 200. I don't have an opinion on chart importance. Some in the albums project argue that charting anywhere on any chart makes it notable. I think it has to be high on a fringe chart or top 100 of the 200, but it's not up to me. I don't know of any chart that goes to 400. Walter Görlitz (talk) 12:55, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or redirect - Keep, or redirect to Jesus Culture. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Charted on a reasonbly well-known chart, the AllMusic review is one source, and the reviews found by Walter Gorlitz push it over GNG. Hog Farm (talk) 22:06, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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