Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The View Episodes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Noone has argued that this is sourced so there can be no policy based reason to keep this per GNG Spartaz ^Humbug! 11:19, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The View Episodes[edit]

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Unencyclopedic, unreferenced fancruft. ubiquity (talk) 17:54, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This one is tough. First, see Don't Call Things Cruft as that is not a reason for deletion. However, I am wondering other's opinions on lists. There is a list for television shows such as this - List of Scrubs episodes. There is NOT a list for shows similar to The View such as Today Show which leads me to believe live talk shows do not warrant episode lists. I cannot find anything to assist my decision so would love to know if there is a consensus for either one.--CNMall41 (talk) 19:17, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All right, I was wrong to call it cruft. Let me state my objections without using the word:

There are no references or sources.
There is a vast amount of detail that would only be of interest to fans, and that information is readily available elsewhere.
The page only deals with Season 18, with no explanation of why that season is more notable than the preceding 17.
Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.

I appreciate that the editor is putting a lot of effort into this, but I wish he would re-target his energies. ubiquity (talk) 19:50, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the redirection of energy, but it is not up to us to choose where they edit. I believe that Wikipedia contains way too many lists, but I want to judge this from guidelines and consensus, not my personal feeling. In fact, List of Scrubs episodes as mentioned above is a "a vast amount of detail that would only be of interest to fans, and that information is readily available elsewhere." So are the hundreds of other episode lists for other shows. While there are no references in the article, there are sources about individual episodes. As written, it could probably be speedily deleted, but in theory of being a list of episodes for a show, I am going to judge based on consensus. Can you point me to anything in Wikipedia that talks about which types of shows warrant a list of episodes and which ones do not? That would be extremely helpful as I cannot seem to locate anything - but I am sure it probably exists. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:04, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Don't delete because it could be expanded upon by other editors adding in seasons 1-current if necessary Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ (talk) 20:23, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:35, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:35, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:02, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, clpo13_(talk) 09:23, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I'm fairly ambivalent about lists like these, and yes WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, however we literally have over a thousand of these types of pages. That seems to say there is broad consensus to keep these types of pages as being inherently notable. FuriouslySerene (talk) 15:01, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Nearly all of those other lists are for dramatized series, for which episode lists outline the development of the series' narrative. There is a strong consensus for keeping those kinds of lists. Lists for talk shows, news shows, etc., need some special and specific justification. postdlf (talk) 12:43, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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