Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Severin Sisters (2nd nomination)

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The result was no consensus. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 09:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Severin Sisters

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Fails WP:BAND and appear to be retired from music (old info indicates they are now public school music teachers, which is cool, but not notable.) In six years since the last AfD, the band had gotten even less notable. Oh, I know notability isn't temporary, but despite this closing as keep the 1st time, I stand by my original AfD that they weren't notable to begin with. And to be clear, I did my due diligence. The band's website is now in Japanese, their talent agent hasn't updated the band's page in three years (and the band isn't listed on their main page as part of their talent stable), their Allmusic listing contains 2 albums on an unknown label (I checked). If you don't want to read WP:BAND the criteria this group clearly doesn't meet include: all of the ones pertaining to charting albums or singles, concert tours with significant coverage, major label albums, winner of major awards or competitions (emphasis mine), use in major TV, film, etc., being featured in a national broadcast, their music being in heavy rotation on the radio, and being prominent representatives of a local scene or style of music, a group consisting of 2 or more independently notable musicians. That leaves us with the final criterion: "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself." This group has not received multiple, non-trivial coverage in in independent reliable sources. Most of the Internet coverage is simply entertainment listings. There is simply no significant coverage of this band. No prejudice for recreation if they become active (and notable!) in their performance career again. Oh and P.S. opening for notable bands does not confer notability, as that is not inherited. Thank you for reading. Valfontis (talk) 06:46, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. lavender|^{(formerlyHMSSolent)}|lambast 06:54, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. lavender|^{(formerlyHMSSolent)}|lambast 06:56, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Tempted to vote for delete per nom, only thing holding me back is an occasional mediocre looking review (here and here) and the fact that one of the sister's seems to have earned a major national award, per a dead but professional press report. That should at least bring one of the sisters past WP:MUSICBIO. I would say merge to a page for the award-winner, but since they seem to have chiefly performed as a duo, seems... well, not like an improvement, just jumping around to meet every letter of wp:band, for the sake of it. Also, seems like some coverage was also found in the old AFD debates. Earflaps (talk) 10:34, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Who won which major award? Re: Old AfD coverage. I'll check my library newspaper database, but it seems odd that all the significant coverage has disappeared behind a paywall. I know about WP:OFFLINE, but if they were notable so recently it seems there would be more coverage available in free online sources. Valfontis (talk) 15:55, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, but I try not to be fazed by paywalls. Google makes things convenient, yes, but at our base, Wikipedia is always a friend to print media (so that's very nice of you to offer to do real research). Also, I guess it's second place, not first, though I usually consider short-listing (making the top five) the equivalent of a significant nomination. (Heidi won second place at the National Mandolin Championship in 2002.) Just my preference though. At some point later I might try a search with year parameters set, since it seems all the coverage is fairly old. Oh, and the other afd mainly just brings up some local newspaper coverage. Probably not enough on its own. Earflaps (talk) 16:55, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just a question before I go digging around, because the near complete lack of interest in this AfD is contagious and I haven't gotten around to it--Are you saying "keep" based on a 2nd place finish in a minor national award although the guideline appears to only confer notability on winners (I'm not sure that only means first place but I think it's implied) of major awards and despite nothing but local newspaper coverage and a couple lukewarm reviews? I'm not trying to needle you, but the previous AfD was "keep" leaning toward "no consensus" mostly because it appeared the "keep" !voters had presented a better argument. I'm also curious why "jumping around to meet every letter of wp:band" is an issue, I mean, we have guidelines for a reason. P.S. Here is a link to the mandolin contest page instead of a dead press release: https://wvfest.com/winners/heidi-severin Valfontis (talk) 17:30, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:01, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

- Redacted. Valfontis (talk) 14:53, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Struck duplicate !vote from nominator; the nomination is considered as your !vote. Feel free to comment all you'd like, though. NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:51, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted entire !vote. Fine fine, I've seen others do this before. I'm sure the closing admin can figure it out. I know I'm free to comment, but thanks for the reminder! :) Valfontis (talk) 14:53, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I did an archive search. These are the press mentions outside of Salem, in their entirety:

"Relax in the wine country, as several Willamette Valley wineries feature brunches with sips of wine and Mom in mind. Willamette Valley Vineyards offers up a full brunch and tastes of its varied vintages, with music by the Severin Sisters." HEY, MOM, LET'S DO BRUNCH. Oregonian, The (Portland, OR) - Friday, May 2, 2003. KYLE O'BRIEN - Special Writer, The Oregonian

"An outgrowth of the increasingly popular Daisychain Music Fair, O Sister also shows off the city's impressive roster of bluegrass and roots music. Gender aside, the two-day event showcases a deep talent pool that includes such artists as Stephanie Schneiderman, the Flat Mountain Girls, Petty Cash, the Severin Sisters, Dee Settlemier and Nann Alleman, and Little Sue." PUTTING A SPOTLIGHT ON WOMEN IN MUSIC. Oregonian, The (Portland, OR) - Friday, August 1, 2003. DON CAMPBELL

"Severin Sisters (country/roots) 1:45 p.m. Amy Clawson (country) 3:30 p.m. Severin Sisters (country/roots)" MAIN STAGE. Oregonian, The (Portland, OR) - Tuesday, September 4, 2001

"7:30 p.m. -- Severin Sisters" THE OREGON GARDEN GRAND OPENING EVENTS SCHEDULE. Oregonian, The (Portland, OR) - Thursday, June 28, 2001

"6:15-7 p.m.: Severin Sisters" MUSIC SCHEDULE. Oregonian, The (Portland, OR) - Friday, June 1, 2001

"Main Stage 1:30 p.m., Dance Works 3 p.m., Silver Star Square Dance Club 4:30 p.m., Claudette Walker dancers 6 p.m., Severin Sisters and Brittany Bailey 7:30 p.m., The Stellar Fellars" MUSIC, BAVARIAN DINNERS SPICE UP ANNUAL ST. JOSEPH'S SAUSAGE FESTIVAL. Oregonian, The (Portland, OR) - Thursday, September 7, 2000. ANDREW MERSHON.

"Musical twins will play tonight in Island Park" (from "BRIEFLY". The Register-Guard (Eugene, OR). (July 28, 2006))

SPRINGFIELD - Twins from Salem, the Severin Sisters, will perform a free show today at the south end of Island Park, 200 West B St., Springfield.
The Willamalane Park and Recreation District, the event's sponsor, describes the sister act as "an amazing mix of country, bluegrass and American roots in a highly spirited show."
Both Amy and Heidi Severin are multi-instrumental- ists, with Amy's performing strength on banjo and Heidi on fiddle. Both also have orchestral backgrounds playing the cello and violin.
They write and arrange many of their own songs and have released three CDs, the latest two featuring original tunes. They both recently finished their junior years at Oregon State University.
The show starts at 6:30 p.m. Participants are encouraged to picnic, but concessions are available."

The Statesman Journal yields:

A 147-word story "Severin Sisters to play Nashville" about being invited to play one song onstage at the Ryman with John Cowan. Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 11 Feb 2003.

A 182-word story "Severin Sisters performs with pops orchestra" about playing with the Salem Pops Orchestra. Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 10 Nov 2005.

A brief mention (68 words total). "A pair of busy country performers, The Severin Sisters, appear Tuesday at Historic Deepwood Estate in the Music on the Green Series." Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 16 Aug 1999.

A slightly more in-depth piece: "Dreams, real life inspire songwriters" Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 17 Aug 2004. It's about the sisters teaching a songwriting class at American Roots Music Camp at Stayton High School.

442-word piece. "Severins teach kids bluegrass". Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 19 June 2004.

A brief entertainment listing. "Free music, film Friday". Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 06 July 2006. The Severins are described as "rising stars". Note: See WP:UPANDCOMING.

"Amy Severin, lead singer and banjo player with The Severin Sisters, said everyone was surprised and pleased at the turnout last year. 'It's grown so much each year, and I'm so happy that something like this happens in Salem where families can come out and experience local music,' she said. The Severin Sisters will be performing as a five-piece band for the festival. The rest of the band is Heidi Severin on harmony vocals and mandolin, Matt Arcana on guitar, Chris Schelske on bass and Jason Carter on drums." From "Locals shine at bluegrass festival". Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 05 Aug 2004. The Grassroots Music Festival was a free festival sponsored by a small local church.

Brief mention. "Relax at Grassroots Music Festival". Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 07 Aug 2004.

A brief mention of them opening for the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, nothing but a mention, the story is about NGDB. "Gettin' down to the Nitty Gritty". Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 14 July 2005.

Summer entertainment listings--they played at a free city concert series and a free university concert series. They are called "local favorites", nothing in depth. "Pop, classical, Celtic, rock, jazz and free!". Cowan, Ron. Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 10 June 2007

They played at the reopening of the Elsinore Theater. "Restored". Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 31 Oct 2004.

Another brief mention. "Take a bow for helping Elsinore return to fame". Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 26 Oct 2004.

551-word feature. "BLUEGRASS GROUP KEEPS BUSY" Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 11 June 2000. Abstract: "The twins, who are the focal point of the bluegrass band Severin & Bailey, are actually a lot more level-headed than that. Joining them in the band are singer and guitarist Brittany Bailey, 16, of Eugene and bassist Louanne Clevenger, a teacher at Scio Elementary School."

"Elsinore to celebrate Oregon's 150th through music, history". Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 05 Mar 2009. Salem Pops Orchestra and friends salute Oregon. Brief lineup mention.

Lineup mention. "Grassroots fest features local talent". Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 21 July 2005.

Festival listing (Grassroots again). "on stage". Statesman Journal [Salem, Or] 08 July 2006.

That's all! Valfontis (talk) 16:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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