Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Mighty Manatees

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. We have very weak nomination, a weak deletion argument, a weak keep argument, a strong keep argument (in the form of point refutation) and a strong delete argument. I find no consensus, and a third relist is inadvisable. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 01:17, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Mighty Manatees

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Not notable. Hoponpop69 (talk) 05:35, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Hoponpop69, can you provide a more cogent reason for why you believe this article should be deleted from the project? It might help persuade other editors to your point of view. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:57, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Pennsylvania. Shellwood (talk) 15:04, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sufficient sources to pass bullet 1 of WP:MUSIC. Chubbles (talk) 04:49, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:MUSIC, a bunch of articles from the free press about some fundraising evening is not notability, neither is a certificate for "Best New Band of 1992" from the local Chamber of Commerce, nor a self-funded Cassette Single. More importantly, their record labels are either non-existent or have a catalog of exactly one artist, The Mighty Manatees. They may be a great local band, supporting worthy local causes, and surviving for 30 years is a testament to the fun that they get out of their music, but what they are not is notable MNewnham (talk) 03:09, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's a mischaracterization of the sources; the Reading Eagle, the Morning Call, and the Times Herald are legitimate newspapers, not 'free presses' (which appears to be used derogatorily here), and they're covering a group with 30+ years of time contributing to a regional scene. (A group doesn't have to be on a noteworthy label to qualify, if there are other sources to demonstrate importance; we have many articles on musicians who self-release.) This actually is a textbook case for WP:MUSIC bullet 7; this is a group that never broke out with a hit or a critical-darling record, but it remained a steady presence in a regional scene such that it now acts as representative of that region, and we have multiple newspaper sources to demonstrate that. Chubbles (talk) 07:21, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:01, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This is an old article and passed under old rules. The article is doing nobody any harm by being here, and if it was, it would have been tossed a decade ago.KatoKungLee (talk) 03:50, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Old rules change over time, and the current rules for notability at WP:NBAND have gotten tougher. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:15, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - They have indeed been mentioned in some reliable newspapers, but I submit that those mentions do not qualify as "significant" per WP:SIGCOV. The article in The Morning Call is almost entirely about the young guy who died and inspired the benefit concert at which the band merely played. The article in The Times Herald is not about the Mighty Manatees but is instead about a side project (opening for Van Morrison) by two of the members. As for other media mentions, I agree with MNewnham above on how they rarely get beyond local gig announcements. The band has a had a long career as local favorites, but there are not enough significant sources specifically about them for an encyclopedia article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:24, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.