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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 06:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Mars Bar[edit]

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Appears to be a non-notable venue incapable of independent verification. It was listed for speedy deletion by a new pages patroller, but as that has been disputed, I have brought it here for a broader discussion. Orderinchaos78 14:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as per Talk:The Mars Bar and ScottDavis - The Mars Bar has noteability as it is Adelaide's only gay nightclub. Timeshift 14:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment WP:N is quite clear on notability not being established by fame or importance but by independent coverage. i usually check google, factiva and the state library of whatever state it's in and if i find enough to justify it, i then vote support... but in this case that has not happened. DanielT5 14:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Right now I do not think that WP:N is clear about anything since its very existance is being disputed on its talk page. There is quite clearly no consensus about that page; whether it is a guideline or whether it should exist. Your point is one of the points in dispute. --Bduke 22:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would caution you to be aware of the Canvassing guideline per [1] [2] [3]. It has already been posted both on the daily log and I also listed it at the Australian deletions log so it will appear at the portal. Orderinchaos78 14:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is not Adelaides only gay bar and I never claimed that. Timeshift 14:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Are you commenting to me, or to yourself above me? I never said anything to do with being Adelaide's only gay bar... The link I provided is hardly media coverage. It's more like an ad. -- Longhair\talk 14:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You. I thought you pasted the link there because it said it was one of Adelaides most popular gay bars, therefore debunking my point about it being Adelaide's only gay nightclub. I was making the point/distinction. If you werent making that point, never mind. Timeshift 14:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I used to live in Adelaide. I vaguely remember The Mars Bar, and still don't think it anything worth writing home about in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not a nightclub guide. -- Longhair\talk 14:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So much for the categories "LGBT nightclubs" and "Nightclubs in Australia" then and all the pages in them. Either theres a conflict between what you say and what wikipedia allows, or wikipedia administrators are *extremely* slack in not finding the rest of the pages in those catagories. Timeshift 14:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There are 1.5 nearly 1.7 million pages and growing every day on Wikipedia. See What about article X? Orderinchaos78 14:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So it's the latter and not the former then. Cheers for the clarification. Timeshift 14:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete it doesn't seem to be very notable :/ no books or independent literature have been written about it. 3 mentions on factiva, one which only mentions it in passing and the other two look like advertorials. In the library at slsa.sa.gov.au I can't see anything that could establish its notability. Sorry DanielT5 14:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Or you could go to http://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22the+mars+bar%22+adelaide and see all the pages associated with the nightclub. Timeshift 14:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
all of which are ads or at best use information totally supplied by the subject of the articles/pages? DanielT5 14:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They are not ads, they are "at best" as well as peoples own independent reviews and a sleuth of other info. It's not all taken from their homepage, not by far. Timeshift 14:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I see no proof here of notablility. Just as a further note, when I used the google test there were only 149 unique hits for the search specified by Timeshift9, many of which were, surprsingly considering the precise search terms, related to the candy bar. I also note a further problem, where is a independant secondary source to satisfy WP:V? --Wildnox(talk) 14:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't see a strong case for this entry, but at least two The Advertiser articles refer to the subject as Adelaide's "premier gay disco" or "premier gay dance-bar", while another (Peter Wood, "Adelaide's best bars: Party Planet", The Advertiser, 22 September 2005) offers a more substantial review.--cj | talk 14:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not notable. No references or indicators outside the subject. YechielMan 16:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Does not appear to be notable as per WP:CORP. Also, appears to fail WP:ATT. Unless the article can be significantly sourced with an independent source, delete. Mack. 16:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as advertisement. If this is notable, we need references and detail (and not its address and hours of operation) semper fictilis 17:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - no assertion of notability other than existence, no verification, no article. Moreschi Request a recording? 17:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. It seems to be Adelaide's leading gay bar judging by a Google News Archive see [4]

However, it seems that may not be enough to justify an article. Capitalistroadster 00:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirectto more notable Mars Bar. EnsRedShirt 02:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete If this was notable, there would be more to the article than its address and opening hours. Being "The Only Gay Nightclub in the Village" or even the best does not make it notable, nor do minor reviews or trivial mentions. The murder mentioned in the Advertiser (and on the ABC) is a bit more like it, but it's still too tenuous a link to confer notability. The creator's lack of civility ("Wiki-nazis" and suggestions of homophobia) aren't helping much either. "Tasty" in Melbourne, now that was notable! --Canley 11:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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