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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Cusco (band). These don't appear to be notable per NALBUMS, but redirects to the main article are unexceptional and will retain the edit history in case any can be worked on to bring them up to a suitable level. Black Kite 15:46, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Magic Sound of Cusco[edit]

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No indication of notability per WP:MUSIC and particularly WP:NALBUMS. No listing on amazon, first result on google is wikipedia, nothing on google news archive. This AFD could certainly be expanded to include other Cusco albums:

The exceptions may be Water Stories, which hit #1 on Billboard New Age albums, Inner Journeys, it reached #6, Ancient Journeys (#2), Apurimac III (#7), A Choral Christmas (which gets a rating on Allmusic - though I consider this dubious), Apurimac II (#8) and The Best of Cusco (#11).

Someone put a lot of work into producing a full set of album discographies, but that doesn't excuse the lack of sources and lack of coverage. There's also a lot of unsourced opinions about the albums on the pages I could see. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 14:05, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge? Generally speaking, I'm of the opinion that if a band is notable, its commercially-released albums will be notable as well, on the grounds that an album by a notable artist will almost certainly have reviews somewhere, even if it's some niche music publication not easily accessable online. That said, if this truly is the exception to the rule and this is a notable band with a huge output of non-notable releases (as strange as that sounds), perhaps a merge of the lesser works into a single article might be preferable. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:08, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I am not sure about the particular album that is the title of this AfD, but a number of other listed albums (in addition to those listed as exceptions) did chart,[1] so there should not be a notability issue for those. Further, the notability guidelines for albums are less restrictive than for song, and so charting isn't even required. Rather, per WP:NALBUMS, "In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia." But I am not sure the album in the title of this AfD even meets that requirement (unless it was released officially outside the US), and so deletion may be appropriate for it. But a blanket deletion of the other listed albums would not be appropriate. Rlendog (talk) 15:20, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it was released officially outside the US (they do have a couple which were not, and they are not included in the discography), but I don't see a problem creating a single page for the compilations if this is found to be preferred by the majority of people. It seems that perhaps it is okay as it is, but if it is not, I can work on merging the compilation pages together. MXVN (talk) 04:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Meh, if the nomination doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell because I misread NALBUMS then that's my bad - I don't do many music-related articles. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 18:02, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment* All of the band's studio albums are available at Amazon, CDUniverse, etcetera. Granted, the compilation "Magic Sound of Cusco" in particular, while released officially, has been out of print for a long time, and what I could do is merge the band's compilations into one page (including Dreams & Fantasies, which is also hard to find), so that there would no longer be a need for a page devoted to an out-of-print and thus largely unavailable disc.
As for the other albums, the OP simply listed every album, then made a couple exceptions based on exceptionally high chart ranks. It is true that charting is not required for inclusion, and surely the band's entire work is still relevant as they are studio albums and are still available. I see no unfounded opinions presented on any of these pages, however granted there is a sore lack of source references, and this should be worked on as well. The sources do exist, even for the less immediately-available albums, and I can add them in with enough time.
A point I'd like to state is that the tracklistings and other information is of relevant interest to anyone curious about the band's input, and should certainly not just be thrown out entirely. As the proposed compilation merger obviously has not been done yet, I ask time to do so if any deletion is to be considered further. Thank you. MXVN (talk) 04:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note - Ring of the Dolphin isn't just a re-release; it was entirely recorded over again, and thus its relevance remains intact for both releases. MXVN (talk) 04:48, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Another note I should add is that Apurimac and Mystic Island were also very successful. Apurimac was the breakthrough, and MI was top 5 on NAIRD but I don't have a source for that at the moment. The reason why Water Stories shows up first on Billboard is because they didn't have a New Age chart until that time. Other albums (Cusco 2000) also charted well; this information should simply be added if it is not already there. MXVN (talk) 19:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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