Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The M+M's Tour
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. MBisanz talk 01:25, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- The M+M's Tour (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
Non-Notable tour, only six dates and five songs. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 03:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Pretty easy to find sources on this one...just a select few: [1] [2][3][4][5][6] --Smashvilletalk 18:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Added all the sources from above ^^ Thanks by the way. Enanoj1111 (talk) 22:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- raven1977 (talk) 19:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep. This tour was a significant event in Spears' long public meltdown. It was written about extensively in the mainstream press. Our article on it has had problems with pov editing, such that the descriptions of the show and its brevity and its lip-synching have been watered down or removed altogether; they need to be restored, cited, watchlisted and maintained. But pov editing problems are not a reason for article deletion, otherwise we'd get rid of the Sarah Palin article too. Wasted Time R (talk) 19:13, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- But our assertion seems to be that it's notable because of her public image at the time. Most of the coverage you are referencing is about her meltdown, not the tour itself. Also, I never brought up POV issues as a reason for deletion. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 19:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The tour itself was/is very notable. How can someone think that a 15-minute, carelessly lip-synched show is worth fans paying money to see? Spears' fans divided on this, which is among the things that the article can explore. Wasted Time R (talk) 19:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't matter how lip-synched a show is, unless it received substantial non-trivial coverage. Even then, I don't think that the simple fact that she lip-synched makes the tour notable, although it may deserve a mention in Britney Spears. Also, did you say that the shows were 15-minutes long and carelessly lip-synched? Sounds pretty non-notable to me. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 20:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's like saying we should delete the Ishtar (film) article because the movie was awful. Things can be notable for bad artistic quality as well as for good! Wasted Time R (talk) 20:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No, it isn't. It's saying that there is nothing to suggest this tour was notable on it's own merit outside of Spears' fan base. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 20:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- But our assertion seems to be that it's notable because of her public image at the time. Most of the coverage you are referencing is about her meltdown, not the tour itself. Also, I never brought up POV issues as a reason for deletion. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 19:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.