Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys (song)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Newyorkbrad 21:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys (song)[edit]

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Wikipedia:Notability is about the availability of reliable source material for the article. It is not about importance or fame. The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys has not received enough coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the song itself or Traffic (band) to develop an attributable article on the topic. Jreferee ^(Talk) 19:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closer - User:Pigsonthewing, the top contributor to Traffic (band) per Stats, was banned by ArbCom from editing Wikipedia for a year. Hopefully, that has no bearing on this matter, but I am noting it just in case. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 20:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The title track from a very well known and notable album. There's enough information in the article to maintain a stub category that would bog down the main album article. ---- WebHamster 19:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. See also DRV request relating to prior PROD. --Dhartung | Talk 19:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, allmusic calls it "one of Traffic's greatest songs", presumably others have thought so as well. (As a separate issue, I'm unsure why we need a disambiguation page for two related items, and the DRV poster seemed to think the same way.) --Dhartung | Talk 19:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge backl to the album article. Just because we can have an article doesn't mean we should - this says very little about the song, and does not establish why we should care. Guy (Help!) 20:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Very Weak Keep per this guideline if (and only if) some sources can be found proving that Phish, Widespread Panic, et al have covered it. Though to be honest I think this should probably just be merged with the album whether it's notable or not. faithless (^speak) 21:34, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the WSP one. CitiCat^♫ 02:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, well-known song. Corvus cornix 21:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge The album article is tiny - there's plenty of room there. It wouldn't be possible to make the album page so big that you'd need to split out single songs. If someone searches, they'll find the song entry wherever it is. MarkBul 22:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable song from a notable album from a notable band. Alansohn 01:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As original proposer of this AfD obviously I have an interest but will try & keep NPOV. The original objection to for deleting page (perhaps I should have proposed a merge) mentioned 'popular on college radio'. My days on college radio are long gone, but I would regard that as a minority audience. The song has been covered by Phish & Widespread Panic; however, Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds being covered by William Shatner would not, in itself, be a reason for a separate article on LSWD. --Rodhullandemu 10:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep cause I like the song ...but... Comment there are thousands of "XXXX (song)" articles on WP (eg. like this Yikes!!), could a guideline be made for future reference in these cases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Exit2DOS2000 (talk • contribs) 04:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- See Wikipedia talk:Notability_(music)#Songs. No consensus has been reached. Corvus cornix 18:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AfD? --Rodhullandemu 19:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could I just ask here which part(s) of Wikipedia talk:Notability_(music)#Songs are being relied upon here? This, as I see it it, is not a "top-down" list of criteria for inclusion. Nor, to be fair, should it be; that would be unduly prescriptive. However, forgive me for being WP:NPOV here, but it would make better sense and logic to me that if there is only one track on an album that is important (and I won't multiply examples), and that track can be properly, and efficiently, addressed as a sub-heading of the parent album page, without clogging the page, then it belongs there. I know I'm fairly new to WP editing but, OTOH, there is little I've seen that makes this track out of the ordinary, good though it is. In fact, I'm listening to it right now. --Rodhullandemu 00:38, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't using the link as an argument in this discussion, but in answer to User:Exit2DOS2000's request for a guideline. Corvus cornix 01:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: the song itself has a separate review at AllMusic, which is not all that common, suggesting above-average notability. The song appears on two concert films. [1] [2] It didn't chart, but then pop songs over 10 minutes long rarely do. The information about bands that have covered it (a list which also includes Gov't Mule) can be verified from on-line setlist databases for several of the bands that have (IMO) enough fact-checking to count as marginally reliable sources. (I also personally own a legal-bootleg of a Gov't Mule cover, so I may have some bias here.) This is the title track of the most popular album by a very influential band for its time. Overall, I'd say a borderline case, but for a song of this vintage, not all sources are necessarily going to be readily available on-line, and I'd say that the evidence strongly suggests that more sources exist. (And I know that "otherstuffexists" isn't an valid argument, but if we have an article about a brief set of sound effects....) Xtifr _tälk 19:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Notable song from a notable band. Often covered by other bands (I have added references of this in the article). Brianga 00:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You would have done if you had added a "references" heading, but I have now done this for you --Rodhullandemu 01:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Traffic induction page says - "The brooding, jazzy “Low Spark of High Heeled Boys” - which ran for over 11 minutes - triggered Traffic’s greatest popularity." CitiCat^♫ 02:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.