Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Fairly Oddparents (pilot)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page except signature updates.

The result was NO CONSENSUS. There is no clear settlement between those that would delete 'just another episode' and those that wish to treat this particular pilot differently for reasons that are clearly articulated and based in policy. It seems that further work on the article is anticipated and that there is likely to be enough substance for it to survive. If that proves not to be forthcoming, then I suppose merges and redirections are likely to follow. Note: I can see no need for the second of the relistings; there were plenty of people and discussions to process the closure on after the first. -Splash - tk 00:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Fairly Oddparents (pilot)

unsourced original research, and real world notability unestablished. brew crewer (yada, yada) 20:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Yeah, I know, there's an injunction. Solo28 can refine her/his writing skills while the injunction is in place. Right now, kid, it's the notes you took while watching a TV show. See if you can't make it better. One thing those of us in the "not-every-TV-show-is-notable" crowd look for is "real world notability", and the pilot has all that, since it launched a popular TV show and made Butch Hartman a millionaire. I'm pretty sure there's already an article about the pilot, but maybe your article has something that one doesn't. Mandsford (talk) 21:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It appears an article on the pilot already exists at The Fairly OddParents! (Oh Yeah! Cartoons episode) (version before redirect) (The Fairly OddParents! (pilot) was moved there — note the P and the !), but it was redirected by an involved party of the arbitration case. While I think pilot episodes are generally always notable, this episode does not have to be notable. It just needs to be too long to merge into List of The Fairly OddParents episodes. Notability is always subjective (even "real world notability"). This article can't be deleted while the injunction is in effect. Perhaps if some editors were not so intent on redirecting existing articles, we wouldn't have editors creating duplicate articles with different names. --Pixelface (talk) 04:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is not clear whether the injunction applies to newly created articles but Delete. There already is a redirect that was in better shape and still couldn't established notability, so I guess it's still a nonnotable episode. – sgeureka ^t•c 16:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Rescue. This article could clearly state that the pilot has launched a major kids' television show and made Butch Hartman and co. a ton of money, it just doesn't at this time. I would recommend recommend reading other TV episode articles, especially pilots, and seeing how the writing and formatting is handled there, maybe it would help make an informed decision on what this article could look like? --Darkprincealain (talk) 16:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Cleanup - The current version of the article is bad, but there is clear potential for this article. It is, as has been mentioned, a standalone episode of an anthology series which was later expanded into a very popular cartoon series. That in itself makes it notable. -- Y|yukichigai (_ramble argue ^check) 03:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
keep per Darkprince and Yukichigai. JoshuaZ (talk) 18:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite 23:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The pilot episode that launched a successful cartoon is very notable. Needs some cleaning. Please try to find references and add them to pages before you delete them, which is explicitly stated in the nomination procedure page. Hazillow (talk) 07:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This could more effectively be a (better edited) paragraph in the main article on the show. Mangoe (talk) 15:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Pilot episode of highly notable series. 68.40.58.255 (talk) 05:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There might be a legitimate argument about individual episodes within a series, but the pilot of a notable TV series is a notable episode worthy of its own independent article. Alansohn (talk) 19:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete pending resolution of article injunction. A pilot is just another episode. Mangoe (talk) 23:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve. I started a production section to get the ball rolling. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 19:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.