Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bodley Club

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The result was redirect to Merton College, Oxford#Societies. T. Canens (talk) 14:40, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Bodley Club

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. I see some mentions in passing, including in books, but they are in passing. Few sentences in Vincent O'Sullivan (2011). Long Journey to the Border: A Life of John Mulgan. Bridget Williams Books. pp. 111–. ISBN 978-1-927131-32-9.. A bit more in Northrop Frye Newsletter. R.D. Denham. 2002., republished at [1], but even that suggests that the best this organization has going for it is a paragrpah in a very minor outlet - Northrop Frye Newsletter doesn't sound like a particularly mainstream nor peer reviewed publication; as the "newsletter" in the title indicates. If anyone wants to argue we should keep this as an important historical organization, we need more than a paragraph in a newsletter to prove it is notable. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 19:40, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This page has now been fully updated, and is now referenced from independent sources as well as the Merton College website. The Bodley Club was clearly a group that contained a large number of significant individuals in the early 20th Century, and its continued association with high-profile speakers is not to be ignored. --165.120.25.199 (talk) 01:42, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Nope, it is to be ignored, per Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_in_deletion_discussions#Notability_is_inherited. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:33, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:56, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:07, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:07, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:07, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The article was developed considerably since AFD nomination. Now it appears to be a sourced, solid article about an historic organization. --doncram 23:20, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Doncram: Yes, the article has been developed, but I am afraid it still fails GNG. Please look at the new article and the references. We still have the history, with no discussion of significance, and the history is not based on any in-depth sources, it is cobbled together from mentions in passing, usually such as 'Mr. X, who in 19XX was a member of the Bodley Club, blah blah'. The club has not received any coverage, its mentions occur only because some of its members were notable, and the club gets mentioned in half a sentence as something they did while at Oxford. Let's keep in mind notability is not inherited by association - having some notable members is not enough to make the club notable. I am afraid the article still fall foul of GNG, not to mention OR. At best the club can be mentioned in some article on Oxford University clubs or such, we could have a list - but it does not seem to have standalone notability. If you disagree, please tell me which sources discuss it in depth, and how it meets WP:NORG.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:33, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Merton College, Oxford#Societies as that will suffice. SwisterTwister talk 20:29, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 09:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Merton College, Oxford#Societies; anything useful (not much) can be picked up from the article history. There are some WP:SOAP undertones in the article as well. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:32, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.