Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Appointed Time

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The result was DELETE per author request (see below) Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Appointed Time

One of the worst cases of vanity wikispamming I’ve ever seen. The user created a page for a non-notable book published by a notorious vanity press [1]. The book itself abysmally fails WP:BK, being completely lacking in WP:RS to establish notability of any kind. Google throws up nothing but wikimirrors, blogs, forums, sales portals[2], and an Amazon page that, at this very moment, shows the book being outsold by 4,436,932 other books. There are no independent published reviews, no features pieces, nothing in the legitimate book-review media about this vanity book. And the bad news doesn’t stop there. I must report that the same user who created this article has been busy spam-linking it around Wikipedia. For example, look at these blatant and ugly diffs: [3][4]. The user also created Marianna Singleton, the main character of the vanity-press novel, and then used it as a redirect to the article about the novel itself. This is the case of a vanity-press novel that came out nearly a year ago, immediately bombed, and then showed up here in somebody’s attempt to use Wikipedia as a spamming platform. I say delete. I say salt. And I say permanently block. Qworty (talk) 02:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC) Qworty (talk) 02:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment How about assuming a bit of good faith? This nomination appears to be rooted in a lot of hostility. Rather than jumping the gun and going straight to AFD, wouldn't it be preferable to tag the article for notability issues and allow the article's creator an opportunity to source the material? No offense, but the editor would appear to be a brand new user and it doesn't appear that any attempt has been made to communicate with them. Let's not WP:BITE the newbies. The page may not ultimately meet Wikipedia's WP:Notability guidelines, but in fairness, I think we should give the author some opportunity to improve it. Cleo123 (talk) 03:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment With a book from a major publisher such as Random House, that's certainly the way to go. But with a book from a vanity press, we are much closer to an outright assumption of WP:SPAM. --Dhartung | Talk 09:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Doesn't pass WP:BK, no sources at all besides writer's own blog. And yeah, there's pretty clearly self-promotion going on, although in this case lack of notability is clear enough that that isn't the primary reason for deletion by a long shot. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 03:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, seems unlikely to pass WP:BK. Unsure that protection/salting is really necessary at this time, though. --Dhartung | Talk 09:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As above. Salting isn't needed yet. Let's wait and see how persistant they are if the page is deleted. Alberon (talk) 12:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I had no intention of creating such hostility. However, seeing that I did, please go ahead and delete this article, all associated images, and all links. Thanks for the civility and understanding. Maple50 (talk) 13:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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