Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thalolam (film)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Scorpions13256 (talk) 01:41, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thalolam (film)[edit]

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Fails WP:NFILM and WP:GNG. Nothing notable on a WP:BEFORE . Kolma8 (talk) 08:47, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Kolma8 (talk) 08:47, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Kolma8 (talk) 08:47, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:NFILM Donaldd23 (talk) 11:41, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Since this is an old movie, its hard to find sources. So WP:NFO need to be considered here. I had found source from Indian express,[1] which proves the movie had theatrical release hence passing the special inclusionary criterias of WP:NFO, in which one criteria is that The film features significant involvement (i.e., one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of his/her career. In this case, the important role is M. J. Radhakrishnan, the cinematographer. Regards Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 16:59, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Kashmorwiki: - Hey, Kashmorwiki/Kichu, if that would be "the important role" for M.J. Radhakrishnan it would be at least listed on his selected filmography, right? But it does not. Can you please reference something to prove that this film in fact played an important role in his career? Kolma8 (talk) 12:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, the argument that sources must exist for an old film isn't a convincing argument to keep an article. Sources must be cited regardless of the film's age. Donaldd23 (talk) 16:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It has been an argument repeatedly from this contributor lamentably. Kolma8 (talk) 19:17, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As per explaination by Kichu. As this is an old movie, its hard to find sources but there are definitely reliable sources to make it pass WP:NFILM and WP:GNG. Pilean (talk) 07:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE — MarkH₂₁^talk 06:20, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you provide those "reliable sources" you mentioned? Kolma8 (talk) 12:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:40, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - it being old is smaller problem than it being from one specific state in another country that speaks its own language. A state award was given to an actor for his role in the film[2], so I'm sure there is some coverage somewhere in local papers from back then, are we able to find them is another question. I will try and find more coverage but unable to find any online with standard searches. WikiVirusC^(talk) 01:55, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on above. Forgot about this and I never got around to my foreign language deep search. WikiVirusC^(talk) 14:03, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Kolma8, this source from Indian Express [3] says actor Murali, one of the veteran actors in Malayalam cinema won the Kerala state award for his performance in this film. Hence my previous argument ''The film features significant involvement (i.e., one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of his/her career becomes relevant here. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 19:11, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:44, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, Its hard to find reviews of the film, may be Kichu's arguments hold here. Chirota (talk) 15:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It may be so, that is why we are having this discussion. I still don't see any mentioning of this movie in Murali's high achievements. So, it is a stretch to say itr is one of his most important roles. This needs to be supported by something, not just assumed. Kolma8 (talk) 21:33, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So are you saying that a movie in which the actor got a state award is not a major part of his career? I dont know what logic you are applying here. There is no need of special statements to prove this thing as it is clear from the fact that he had won a state award for the movie itself. The subject has acted in more than 200 movies or more if Im right and had won 7 state awards. That is just 3.5 percent of movies he was involved in and this movie comes under this 3.5 percent. So how can you say this is just an assumption. And for what reason are we giving awards for an actor? Its for their best acting performance right? With a commonsense, anyone can easily assume that this movie is a major part of their career. Regards. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 03:24, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - seems a notable Indian film. Riteboke (talk) 08:23, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A third relist to give extra chances for finding sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 09:12, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:NFO #3 (The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking). Based on the fact that Murali received Kerala State Film Award for Best Actor for the film. -- Ab207 (talk) 12:39, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per User:Ab207's comment. Imfarhad7 (talk) 12:42, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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