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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Participants who voted to keep the article are encouraged to improve it by removing anything promotional (including unnecessary sources) and adding most (if not all) of the sources in this discussion to prevent renomination in the near future. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 10:15, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Only claim to notability of this subject seems to be that he was "part of a team that set the new record at 2,781 km in 24 hours .." and that he won a Tesla Model X and a couple of other Teslas. Dirk Beetstra T C 06:38, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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"This subject" is actually named Bjørn Nyland, but due to the article on 1980s Bjørn Nyland (skater), the article is at Teslabjorn, which is the name of his live stream YT channel "TeslabjornLive24". The real channel is "Bjørn Nyland", so the article should be moved to Bjørn Nyland (YouTuber). For over seven years, Nyland covers Electric cars in an entertaining and informative way, which is recognized by e.g. InsideEVs here, by CleanTechnica here. Nyland belongs to Category:Motoring journalists or similar. Is it a coincidence that "the subject" who wants the article on a well-respected Electric Vehicle proponent to be deleted happens to work in the oil industry in Saudi Arabia since 2012?  Matthead  Discuß   10:33, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 07:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Are you denying that InsideEVs, Electrive.com are on the first page of the search results, and a whole lot of other webpages on the others pages? Like The incredible story of an EV evangelist who won 4 Teslas? Or is your self-proclaimed "Since the beginning of 2012 I am living in Saudi Arabia" to blame, Censorship_in_Saudi_Arabia#The_Internet filtering out valid sources?  Matthead  Discuß   09:50, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Matthead, please desist with your personal attacks that have no basis in anything. The only link is indeed the link from InsideEVs, the other 9 are utterly unreliable, self published material. I however do not go by Google searches for notability, I go by what was in the version I saw, which are 7 youtube videos by the subject, his facebook, and quite some references which are not Bjorn's work that are referenced. You are free to upgrade the references (and there are now more, but also even more facebook and youtube links). Dirk Beetstra T C 10:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I find it puzzling that reference is made to "what shows up at the front page of that search" [my emphasis]. The search is stated to return 366'000 results; some of these will be other Nylands (not least a famous skater), but it doesn't make sense to draw conclusions from only the first page.
I dug in a little deeper and did a quick sweep across the European language map. I found references (mostly online, but some also in parallel print) to Bjørn Nyland in Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, Danish, English, Dutch, German, Polish, French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, Croatian, Hungarian, Romanian, and Russian. There are more further afield, including Arabic, and of course many in Thai. I probably overlooked some, and one can probably easily nitpick about some of them, but overall there is no doubt that Bjørn Nyland is a well known, widely quoted and observed, and highly respected authority on electric vehicles. According to Wikipedia's published notability guidelines [9] "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." I believe this criterium is amply fulfilled for Bjørn Nyland.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.56.64 (talk • contribs)
@80.189.56.64:, yes, it is easy to find documents. Many searches on Google result in a lot of results. But Google does sort the results to a certain extend, based on their optimization of results and resulting in a list sorted by what people are mostly looking for on a subject on Google. If the first 10 are 9 times blogs / social media / youtube channels / etc. and one article then that means that that is what is mostly used through Google. The article that I proposed for deletion had 9 out of 14 to youtube/facebook, now it is 11 out of 23 (plus 5 search results). There may be more results on next Google pages, but a) they are already deemed less important by Google, and b) they are not used as references if they pass our bar of WP:RS. --Dirk Beetstra T C 08:05, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note To expand, in this version references 1-4 are own material, reference 5 references "After German Youtuber Horst Lüning and his son have covered 2,424km" is not giving notability to TeslaBjorn, reference 6 references "in June 2016, Lüning in 2018 joined an Austrian G-Electric team", which hardly is a claim to notability of the subject if you are part of a team. Reference 7 is for "Nyland set this record using the IONITY 350kW quick chargers Demminer Land", which I agree is a claim to TeslaBjorn's notability, references 8 and 9 are for the network, not for TeslaBjorn's work. References 10 and 11 are for winning prizes (and unless a prize is of high significance/notability, winning a prize alone is not a claim to notability). That is one reference left over in that version.

In the current version (which has added references for a number of youtube videos, and another reference to their facebook feed) there is a set of references added between reference 4 and 5 of the previous (the first another SPS youtube): https://insideevs.com/search/?q=Bjorn+Nyland https://cleantechnica.com/?s=Bjorn+Nyland https://electrek.co/?s=Bjorn+Nyland https://www.autoevolution.com/search.php?s=Bjorn+Nyland https://www.teslarati.com/?s=Bjorn+Nyland . All 5 are search results without proper claim how they show notability. That you are being mentioned in a journal or magazine, that you published in a renowned journal, that you won some random prize, are not claims to notability. Then we have a proper new claim 'Nylands 18 hours long effort in 2015 to slowly hypermile his Model S to a "Record-Breaking 452.8 Miles On A Single Charge"' with references which is adding to the claim to notability. The rest of the references are already discussed in the previous paragraph. So now we have 2 claims to notability. --Dirk Beetstra T C 07:00, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • It seems to me that deletion is being proposed because the references listed in the page could be improved upon. In this case I think it would be more productive to suggest improving the references; few things will be perfect from square one.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.56.64 (talk • contribs)
    • @80.189.56.64: Yes, and I will gladly withdraw the nomination if in these handful of days the article really shows a significant relative increase in proper claims of notability. From 1 to 2 claims and for the rest a massive expand on primary sources without secondary support is not going to cut that deal, nor does a 'go look on Google'. --Dirk Beetstra T C 08:05, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 18:16, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How often is this supposed to get relisted? Where is any support for the deletion of this article, apart from the single user who wants "this subject" to get erased? Close this Afd and remove the template from the article.  Matthead  Discuß   22:08, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • The proposer is quite right in pointing out that the references in the article do not support a notability claim, and it isn't really useful to speculate about people's motivation. The only thing that matter is facts. In that context it must be kept in mind that an encyclopaedia summarises authoritative sources, commonly referred to as "second sources", in an attempt to ensure truthful information. Primary sources are not authoritative, and cannot be assumed to be truthful, any more than a politician's claim to be your best friend. While Bjørn Nyland is without reasonable doubt an authority on EVs, and a popular protagonist with something of a cult following, the article should substantiate that by providing references that support it. A Wikipedia page is not a fan page, and it's important to safeguard the integrity of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.56.68 (talk) 2021-05-13T22:07:41 (UTC)
  • Delete: per nom, one source from Inside EVs only, the rest is self promo only, fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:08, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Per references that have been surfaced as part of this AFD. The references in the article are bad but clearly further references exist to demonstrate notability. DocFreeman24 (talk) 05:59, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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