Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tatsuya Tanaka (figure skater) (2nd nomination)

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The result was Speedy Keep‎. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Let'srun (talk) 17:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tatsuya Tanaka (figure skater)

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level does not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per the discussion below, this AFD can be closed as Speedy keep as I withdraw the nomination. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Skating, and Hong Kong. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I found some Chinese sources which mentioned he won champion in the senior level of 2007 Hong Kong Figure Skating And Short Track Speed Skating Championships (where the national-level Hong Kong Figure Skating Championships is a part of; see Oriental Daily News[1]), so as a national figure skating champion, the subject person already fulfills the second criterion of WP:NSKATE. I also found additional sources which mentioned him representing Hong Kong in the Asian Open Figure Skating Trophy and Asian Winter Games (See The Sun[2] and China Central Television[3]), although I consider them as passing mentions and may not be able to pass GNG. Nonetheless, I think passing WP:NSKATE is already sufficient for me to vote for a keep, at least not a delete. And I suggest the nominator can do some WP:BEFORE searches for sources in the subject person's native languages before filing for deletions. This seems like the third time for me to vote for a figure skater article nominated by the same editor. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see no evidence that he won a gold medal at the Hong Kong Figure Skating Championships. His ISU profile shows no placement at the 2007 championships. He did win the silver medal on three separate occasionas, but a silver medal at a national-level championship does not meet the standards of WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98: Hi Bgsu. Please check the Oriental Daily News source I attached. The title reads "The heavily favoured Tatsuya Tanaka wins Champion", and the body goes "The Hong Kong Figure Skating And Short Track Speed Skating Championships have concluded successfully. The Japanese-Chinese mixed Tatsuya Tanaka, who will represent Hong Kong at the Asian Winter Games, was the hot favorite and won champion in the men's division..." (香港花樣滑冰及短道速滑錦標賽圓滿結束，即將代表香港出戰亞洲冬季運動會的日中混血兒田中達也，大熱贏得男子組冠軍...) Oriental Daily News is an established and mainstream newspaper in Hong Kong, and is generally regarded as a reliable source for non-political and non-advertorial content in zhwiki through consensus. (See the zhwiki's List of Perennial sources) I am not sure why it was not recorded on his ISU profile, and why this discrepancy aroused. (Please enlighten me if you find out the reasons behind) But since no discussion in the enwiki had deemed Oriental untrustworthy, so I don't see why this source is questionable in this case and I tend to trust the independent and secondary RS. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 01:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That's interesting. I did see the article you cited and ran it through a translator. No idea why a first-place win would have been left off this skater's ISU profile. Nor is he cited on the Hong Kong Figure Skating Championships chart for men's singles. I checked another reliable figure skating site, but they have no records for any of the Hong Kong championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  Prince of Erebor Okay, I have added both skaters named in the article to the charts on the Hong Kong Figure Skating Championships article. I cannot find sourcing elsewhere, but I'm guessing 2008 was just when someone at Wikipedia started to keep track and no one bothered to go backwards. This AFD can be closed as Speedy keep. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Bgsu98: Yea, I was thinking the same thing. After searching, I found some articles, as well as the ISU database you cited, recorded the Skating Championships dating back to at least 2003. However, the Hong Kong Skating Union website and Wikipedia only listed results up to 2008. It seems there was no systematic online archive of the championship results prior to 2008. Thanks for updating the article as well! I have made some minor corrections though, since Hong Kong uses Cantonese rather than Mandarin, the source should be labeled as written in Chinese, and the skater's name should be romanized using Jyutping instead of Mandarin pinyin. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 17:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I never studied any languages east of Europe, so I'll trust your judgment! Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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