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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 01:17, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tariq Mahmood (detainee)

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contested prod, for a non-notale person. Artcile lists 3 sources, two of which failed verification. The soruce for these two sources is the third source, which is a one-line mention of the subject's name in a long list or other people JungerMan Chips Ahoy! (talk) 01:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep – I had a look outside the 'pediabox. I found verification easy enough (the one remaining is very frequently cited, but I haven't verified personally), and news coverage in multiple reliable sources here is more than trivial. I added it to the article. As it happens, subscription legal sites also seem to have court records indicating this subject may be held in connection with another detainee who's also apparently notable. Again, I haven't verified it personally, and they may even have BLP implications, so I won't go so far as to add that much. If someone has those subscriptions, I hope they'll add info and cites. At any rate, I anticipate this BLP, which already passes WP:BASIC reqs, will grow with time. JFHJr (㊟) 03:42, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep As one of the few British detainees in Guantanamo, he is one of the better known of them in the UK (I'd certainly heard of him and Moazzam Begg). The article is now very adequately sourced (though lack of citations isn't a reason to nominate for deletion) and augmented too. Sionk (talk) 15:28, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:42, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:43, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

*Strong Keep The article is now well sourced, and after trying to do some research of my own, I can tell you that there are many Tariq Mahmoods in the world. With a person that clearly meets notability standards, it is vital that Wikipedia have an article on someone that is so difficult to research any other way. I have removed the only questionable BLP statement I saw, which was that he was alleged to have ties to al-Qaeda. ΣΑΠΦ (Sapph)Talk 23:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW the allegation appears here: "Opinion No. 29/2006" (PDF). United States Department of State. United Nations Human Rights Council, Working Group on Arbitrary Detention. 2005-12-08. pp. 6, 8.. Overall I'd say it's a pretty reliable source that the allegation exists, but it doesn't extrapolate on the accusers. JFHJr (㊟) 01:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

:::In that case it should be left out as per WP:ALLEGED and WP:BLP. Highly problematic to start an BLP based on that. More below. Jrwikieditor (talk) 02:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC) [reply]

  • Delete or rewrite - better merge into the UK torture case article - Hey guys i do not doubt your good faith but this article just "sucks". It is a complete distortion of the story and almost certain a BLP violation in this form. The article now circles around speculations and rumors pasted together from outdated press reports. It is a Red herring.
Hey! the ISI dumped him after 5 month and there are a lot of sources that speak about his unusual interrogations and treatment by various parties during his detention. Nothing to be found in the article. No no, don't be mistaken - he is not in Guantanamo :))
The real story and references have been left out:
As i said i do not doubt the good faith of the editors who wrote this biography but this is a biography of a living person and as i said it should be deleted/blanked or completely rewritten. Though i personally think it would be better to merge it into the UK torture investigation / compensation article. Jrwikieditor (talk) 02:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It is a little bit of a case of WP:1E. The fact that he is "connected with" other more notable detainees does not make him notable in his own right. Possibly either merge or redirect, but I'd delete. --Legis (talk - contribs) 03:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • The problem with arguments based on WP:BLP1E is that "one event" is not defined. Tariq:
      1. was captured by the ISI;
      2. held in extrajudicial detention;
      3. was not given normal consular access;
      4. claims MI5 officials played a role in his torture during his interrogations;
      5. has chosen to live in exile in Dubai because he does not feel safe in the UK after UK officials played a role in his torture.
Whether these are interpreted as "one event", or multiple events, is a subjective decision. Personally, I am inclined to think any individual who has made credible claims of torture, who is the subject of coverage of WP:RS merits individual here. Question, should we assume from your conflation of the events listed above into a single event that your position is that torture during interrogation should be considered normal, mundane, routine, not worth coverage? Geo Swan (talk) 11:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

:::I agree with the raised WP:1E concerns. He as a person is not notable. The alleged torture and mistreatment is. Jrwikieditor (talk) 13:46, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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