Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The administrative/political/geographic entity is claimed to exist, and it is not up to us to determine its status. DGG ( talk ) 04:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China[edit]

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No need for a claimed territory. Only needs to be described in the article for the territory claimed. Although it may exist on paper, even the PRC doesn't actually have a Taiwan Province Government, so why have a page for something that doesn't exist? This is the same reason why Republic of Taiwan page has been merged to Taiwan Independence. Besides the old boundaries that the PRC keeps and shows on this page is as useless as the old mainland China provinces the ROC had in old maps. There are no mainland China ROC provinces pages so why should THIS one exist? Mistakefinder (talk) 09:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC) Or at a minimum, merge to Taiwan Province. Mistakefinder (talk) 09:19, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: "There are no mainland China ROC provinces pages so why should THIS one exist" - But there are, see Chekiang Province, Republic of China, Xikang, Andong Province, Chahar Province, Hejiang Province, Xing'an, Rehe Province, Liaobei Province, Nenjiang Province, Songjiang Province, Suiyuan Province. No opinion or !vote from me though, yet. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 11:01, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are articles about former provinces; that's legitimate because the ROC used to control that territory. What's not allowed is to have entries about PRC provinces that the PRC has never controlled. As an analogy, it's ok to have an article on British North America but not on the American State of England. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:48, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You might also have to consider that on a governmental level, the National People's Congress appoints "representatives" of Taiwan Province. Even though it's a game of pretend and charades, the game is still being played. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 11:51, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Regardless of my comment above, this article isn't just about the land claim. It's not a real territory that the PRC controls, but it is a political entity which returns members to the PRC's National People's Congress, and is notable as such (just as top-level political constituencies elsewhere are notable). --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:55, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Deleting this article would be a really ridiculous thing to do. 梁棚元 (talk) 14:07, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This barely even requires a discussion. It's notable.JoelWhy (talk) 16:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Taiwan Province. The nominator here has made an unconvincing argument for deletion, but that does not mean this article should exist. Everything contained in this article, except for the mention of delegates to the NPC, qualifies as original research. I've already pruned most of the existing content based on these concerns, and this article cannot be expanded further. Editors have been reduced to going to government websites to figure of New Taipei (as opposed to Taipei County) is a PRC-recognized political division of Taiwan Province. This information simply doesn't exist, and implying it does would be synthesis of sources, which is not allowed here.--Jiang (talk) 01:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think we do have some other articles on claimed provinces, states, counties, etc, such as Antártica, Antártida. Jeffrey (talk) 22:05, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The PRC claimed province doesn't even cover the same area with the actual province within the ROC. They aren't the same topic. If in case it's going to be merged, it should instead be merged into Administrative divisions of the People's Republic of China and Provinces of the People's Republic of China. Jeffrey (talk) 21:56, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Ridiculous nom. This is a real thing of the most populous country on the planet. Even if they don't control the territory and the whole thing is a façade, it's legally real and has real world implications. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

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