Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sweetwater, Pima County, Arizona

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The result was merge to Tohono Oʼodham Indian Reservation. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:40, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sweetwater, Pima County, Arizona

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Another searching nightmare, in this case caused by a bunch of other "Sweetwater" places further east. They aen't this place, though, and it's not evident that there's any connection between any of them. I couldn't find anything specifically about this place except what I could get from topos and aerials: they show a rough cluster of buildings that appear in the photos to be buildings of a single establishment. Eventually they all go away, leaving no trace of whatever it was. Mangoe (talk) 06:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Arizona. Shellwood (talk) 11:57, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:01, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak keep for now~~ I found this and some mentions on sites devoted to hiking trails. Possibly something notable there. Not going to get excited if someone takes a better look and decides it isn't notable after all. Elinruby (talk) 08:39, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Followup: It is part of the Gila River Indian Community and it seems worth looking at whether any of the local history and/or border issues took place in this specific community. I'd suggest a look at Google Books or JStor, which I cannot do right now Elinruby (talk) 08:51, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to rain on this parade because I am in the middle of searching for sources myself, but Sweetwater Wetlands are in Tucson, about 100 miles east of the location under discussion. See the map in this book for instance. It is also marked on gmaps. SpinningSpark 09:53, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I did wonder about that, but it's the same county, so... But your map trumps my map because it's a book, and it shows it north of Tucson not west. So ok, you're right. But my weak keep stands based on the Gila River Indian Community article. It might still not be enough, but it:s worth a look Elinruby (talk) 04:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. This book listing triangulation points in Arizona lists one called Sweetwater, located 1.5 miles northwest of an Indian village of the same name. Assuming that the GNIS derived coords are pointing to the triangulation point, there is indeed a small collection of buildings about 1.5 miles southeast of it. Shown here on gmaps. SpinningSpark 10:19, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~*Merge~~ with Sweetwater, Pinal County, Arizona, which would improve both articles. Prefer an article title that does not mention the county since, if it is part of the Gila River community, it would afaik technically be theoretically autonomous not part of the county -- see recent decision about same sex marriage law and declaration that the community (Gila River) only recognizes its own marriages Elinruby (talk) 09:55, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Again, that is not the same place as this article, off by 100 miles or so again. Click through on the coordinates at the top of the page and you will easily see this. The place under discussion is near the Mexican border a few miles east of Organ Pipe Cactus monument. The location also ties in exactly with the source I found. You may be right though, about it not being part of the county. It lies within the Tohono Oʼodham Indian Reservation which could be a merge target. SpinningSpark 10:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How embarrassing. In my own defense, I am pretty sure this is one of these "places in Arizona that might be inhabited" articles that gave me nonsense when I clicked the coordinates. (I'm on a phone). Ahem. Ok... Let's say you are right about that: if it is within the boundaries of delimited indigenous land, then the same should apply to the Tohono O'odham. Sovereignty is a principle of Native American law. It would definitely be a more meaningful target than the county, and somewhat more informative than a stand-alone infobox. I'll strike the merge vote now (blush). Elinruby (talk) 11:44, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I've made similar mistakes in the past myself, which taught me to be more careful. Just realised that my link to gmaps for the actual village was broken, but now fixed. Here it is again for reference. SpinningSpark 15:27, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Tohono Oʼodham Indian Reservation. I believe that Spinningspark has found this community. This AZ Dept of Health Services doc is a list of Indian communities in Arizona (there is another Sweetwater in Pinal County). This Sweetwater is one of about 80 Tohono Oʼodham villages. I don't see that there is enough info to write much of an article on most of them (beyond what is currently in this sub-stub). The reservation article has a list of 13 communities. That list should be expanded to include them all, and each of the villages redirect there, except for any for which there is sourcing to create a decent article, like Santa Rosa, Arizona which at 671 is the largest of them all. The rest should be covered in the reservation article, with whatever basic information is available, like coords, GNIS ID, and elevation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MB (talk • contribs) 06:09, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I'm happy to facilitate a Merge but there needs to be a consensus on what the target article would be. I would like to see more agreement here before closing this discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:04, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect per MB. Reywas92^Talk 14:38, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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