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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Flooded with them hundreds 17:08, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sweetener World Tour[edit]

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Routine coverage only. Fails WP:NTOUR --woodensuperman 07:57, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Agree with WP:ROUTINE, also WP:V. However, since when it does start it will almost certainly become instantly notable, perhaps WP:INCUBATE/ userfy per WP:ATD until next March? And keep the title as a redirect to the album. ——SerialNumber54129 08:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There's no reason to assume it would instantly become notable just because of who she is. Musicians tour all ther time. There are already way too many articles for non-notable tours. --woodensuperman 12:38, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Agree with Serial Number 54129. Let's incubate it until the tour either starts or is cancelled. -- Ssilvers (talk) 09:02, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep "since when it does start it will almost certainly become instantly notable" we might as well keep it. I think WP:IAR will back me up on this. It seems to me a wholly pointless pedantic waste of everyone's time to bring this to AfD. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:39, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Ssilvers summed up the circumstances better than me: ...until the tour either starts or is cancelled; I didn't take the latter into account. So keeping as it is is not an option: we can't have an article in mainspace telling nothing about a subject which may or may not happen. ——SerialNumber54129 10:46, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:08, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:08, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:09, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, of course. Major tour by notable article, has received coverage and more is guaranteed. Besides, a redirect would be more appropriate than deletion. This is a waste of editors' time. ---Another Believer (Talk) 13:40, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - has been covered by USA Today and Billboard. Concert tours usually warrant their own articles when the artist is notable. Sure, there's not much info now, but there'll be more as that develops.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 13:45, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is a false statement. Concert tours do not usually warrant their own articles when the artist is notable. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. See WP:NTOUR: "A tour that meets notability standards does not make all tours associated with that artist notable." --woodensuperman 14:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But it isn't inherited notability. This tour is established as being notable on its own (through the inclusion of refs by Billboard and USA Today).—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 14:15, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
How does WP:ROUTINE coverage establish this tour as being notable? See specific criteria at WP:NTOUR, particularly "Sources that merely establish that a tour happened are not sufficient to demonstrate notability". --woodensuperman 14:18, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and claiming that a tour is notable because the artist is notable is textbook WP:NOTINHERITED ("The artist is famous, so the album is notable"). --woodensuperman 14:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Woodensuperman, you've made your case, and not you're just repeating yourself. Time to let other editors share their thoughts. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:23, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If I'm repeating myself it's because everyone is repeating the same mistakes about the guidelines. --woodensuperman 14:25, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is more than just routine coverage.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 14:30, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not even remotely. It's an announcement of a tour, nothing more. --woodensuperman 14:33, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It talks about her newest music which'll also be performed at the tour. That's more than routine coverage that merely established a tour'll happen.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 14:36, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And you think that's significant coverage of the tour? Wow. --woodensuperman 14:38, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There's more that can be said than just tour dates. If you still disagree, a merge/redirect would've been a much more plausible option than deletion.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 14:43, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also, in response to claiming that a tour is notable because the artist is notable is textbook WP:NOTINHERITED, notice I said "usually", a key word you missed in my keep rationale (which should've already made it clear that I didn't mean all cases).—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 14:46, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I did say "usually" in my first rebuff of your statement. --woodensuperman 14:51, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, it's a major tour by a more than noteable artist with 42 dates announced and more confirmed to be coming at a later date. It definitely warrants its own article, insisting on waiting until it starts is a complete waste of time, there's no point in deleting the article now only to reinstate it in less than 5 months. Fan4Life (talk) 13:59, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, Fan4Life; that's why even the article's creator supports a redirect. ——SerialNumber54129 14:37, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Are you referring to me? If so, that's not true. I support keeping the article. I said redirecting is more appropriate than deleting. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:39, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I know, you said. So: you support redirection. ——SerialNumber54129 15:26, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't support redirecting. I support keeping. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:07, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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