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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. -Splashtalk 01:11, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Super Mario World Episode 13: Mama Luigi[edit]

Synopsis of non-notable episode of Saturday morning cartoon from 1991. FuriousFreddy 02:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What do you base that statement on? - Mgm|(talk) 09:47, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that the show isn't on the air anymore in reruns is a good one. Another is its obscurity, the fact taht it only ran for one season, the fact that nothing notable happened in any of its episodes...need I go on? I suppose we should start making articles for every episode of Scooby-Doo as well? --FuriousFreddy 05:17, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and send to clean up. Instead of trying to delete it, make one change to improve it then it'll be good enough to keep ;).--ShaunMacPherson 07:57, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep In general, if WP has an article on a television show, articles on episodes of that show are worthwhile, whenever someone bothers to write anything close to reasonable. Xoloz 08:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all articles about all episodes of all TV shows, unless they contain something other than statistical information and a plot synopsis. — FJG 09:10, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A plot synopsis is essential to an episode article, what else do want to see included? - Mgm|(talk) 09:47, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Anything but an unreflected summary of fictonal events. Beer Bad (Buffy episode) is an interesting article because it discusses the episode's simplistic moralising, for example. Plato's Stepchildren is an extremely interesing Star Trek episode because it showed the first interracial kiss ever depicted on (American?) television (although the article fails to discuss this properly). Articles about a show's plot arcs would be interesting too, because they'd represent collation of information.
(To clarify: A plot synopsis is fine. But I think just a plot synopsis isn't. Sorry for not being clear.)
— FJG 10:46, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Trust me, Super Mario World has no plot arcs. I saw every episode of it when I was a kid, I can honestly tell you that the series was not impactful enough for much more than a passing mention. --FuriousFreddy 05:17, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, cleanup and possibly merge in a list of episodes to avoid fragmentation. If there's an article on a serialized show, episodes are a reasonable expansion of the subject (unless it's something like Top of the Pops.- Mgm|(talk) 09:47, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep if Buffy (et al.) get episode guides, I don't see why this shouldn't too. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:04, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm sure Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which ran several season, was a top-rated show. Super Mario World was a thirteen episode Saturday morning cartoon, and is hardly as notable. The "they did it, so we can too" reasoning is not a valid defense of the existence of this article, especially since the other twelve episodes aren't covered. Why not , if plot synopses are desired, mae on article with all of them. They'll certainly all fit. --FuriousFreddy 05:13, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I agree with FJG. And execrable content created by fanatics of various tv shows is not grounds to retain more execrable content. Dottore So 18:29, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Like someone said, Buffy has episode guides, so can this. OmegaWikipedia 20:04, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fancruft. "There's a lot of useless crap in Wikipedia" isn't an argument for keeping this article. Wile E. Heresiarch 21:37, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or Merge with List of Super Mario World Episodes nn tv episode on nn Tv show that didn't that last long compare to Buffy and The Simpsons --JAranda | yeah 00:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I do not believe that because some television shows have articles for their individual episodes, therefore all of them are entitled to have articles for individual episodes. I am not convinced that Super Mario World is a show that needs articles for every episode (it ran for 13 episodes in 1991, and has not been seen in syndication for years), and this article as written tends to suggest otherwise. --Metropolitan90 04:14, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, episodes of fairly large TV series deserve some mention, although I would support merging this into a bigger list of episodes if there are more of these articles. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:22, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or merge. The precedent is just about set for TV episodes. I'm going to vote in accordance with stare decisis on this. — Phil Welch 04:52, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Show me another instance where someone wrote an article for an episode of a short-lived Saturday morning cartoon and it was kept, and I'll agree with you. --FuriousFreddy 05:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • You might be surprised. Have a look at List of Drake and Josh episodes, which links to 22 seperate episode articles. We also have articles for (nearly) every SpongeBob episode, as well as Strange Days at Blake Holsey High, Grounded for Life, and many others. There's definitely an emerging precedent for TV episodes. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • "Holy Moley." That is surprising. Although, truthfully speaking, Spongebob is far more notable a series than Super Mario World. I've never heard of the other shows, so I don't know what to make of the fact taht they have full episode guides. --FuriousFreddy 22:13, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • Spongebob is certainly popular, but one could easily argue that this is at least as important, being part of the Mario phenomenon which has been going strong for more than 20 years now and with no end in sight. One could make a very convincing case that Mario is the most consistently-popular character of the past quarter-century. Have a look at List of best selling computer and video games and note that 4 of the top 5 bestselling games for all platforms are Mario titles. Who knows where Spongebob will be in 20 years? This is why I tend to be very inclusionist with pop-culture stuff... oftentimes, notability is in the eye of the beholder. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 11:58, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • True, Buffy is much more notable than this short lived cartoon show, so comparing the two is maybe not the best argument, but I'm going to vote keep anyway. Millions of kids must have watched this episode, so to me that makes it notable. Everyking 07:08, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or merge.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.
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