Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Summer Cummings

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 17:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Summer Cummings[edit]

Porncruft. Notability not asserted for this porn actress. Not much else is asserted for that matter. wikipediatrix 03:49, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep A google search shows up quite a number of hits for this actress. Moreover, there is an entry for her in IMDB. The contents of this article is also verified easily from third-party sources as well. There is also quite a number of hits on this actress at amazon.com as well. --S iva1979^{Talk to me} 04:59, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As per WP:PORNBIO, Google results are not applied to articles about the porn industry. An IMDB entry doesn't confer notability: most of the hundreds of thousands of people listed on the IMDB are not on Wikipedia. Ditto Amazon. wikipediatrix 05:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But, it must also be noted that WP:PORNBIO should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception. I am sure that this subject is indeed an exception as well, isn't it? --S iva1979^{Talk to me} 05:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Any porn star (female) will have a ton of Google hits Corpx 06:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - No "significant coverage", no awards that I can find Corpx 05:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. Tabercil 05:42, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there have been articles in the San Francisco press (Bay Guardian and Chronicle IIRC) about her animal activism, I don't know if it extends any further, but she is a local celebrity somewhat apart from her porn career. ←Ben^B4 07:33, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - unless you can cite the articles and they show her notability as a porn star, I don't see how that merits a keep... Valrith 12:35, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Perhaps you didn't read what I wrote: she is notable apart from her porn career. And though I tried and failed to find the articles amid thousands of hits on porncruft, sources aren't required for AfD votes. ←Ben^B4 18:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm not sure local media coverage is enough. Epbr123 11:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Reluctantly, I must vote delete. No coverage in reliable sources to show either notability or verifiability. Valrith 12:35, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment She seems to be a fixture, lots of films and appearances, but a reliable source writing a non-trivial article about her would help a lot. Her film Faster Pussycat[1] won an AVN award,[2] but she wasn't the only star. --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 13:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - she is one of the most known and most successful adult film performers with over 17 years of performances and production career life which exceeds almost everyone in the adult industry. Not only has she established herself as a success in that area, but she is well-known in mainstream events for her appearance in Boogie Nights as well as her animal rights activities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.80.229 (talk • contribs)
- Comment - none of what you've just said is true, unless you can provide reliable sources to back it up. I like it is insufficient reason to keep an article. Valrith 18:33, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment - It is true and can proved that
    1. she has been performing OFFICIALLY since 1990 (some say since 1986 but that is disputed) as that was when Take out Torture was released and she performs in that film;
    2. she is still producing and releasing films TODAY that are being bought and distributed by other production houses such as her current ongoing series "Fetish Fairy Tales" she produces and stars in these films; and
    3. is one of the few adult stars who is known by the "mainstream" in part for her appearance in "Boogie Nights" -- unlike say Spantaneeus Xtasty who appeared in Kiefer Sutherland's Freeway and several other adult performers who do cameos in commerical films -- as well as her continual noises on animal rights issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.80.229 (talk • contribs) 20:16, August 4, 2007
- Comment - You have not understood anything I've said. Where are the reliable sources to back up your claims? Valrith 20:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So the films themselves are not verification then? The date stamps on those films are not acceptable proof either then? Nor is the fact that she is producing films herself today is not proof to your standards then either? Nor is the fact that she and Skye have their own companies as stated in MANY different trades either. Evidently the only "legitamate" sources you accept are the Washington Post and NOT the adult trades.

You obviously have an axe to grind against this lady for whatever reason. What you want is PERSONAL information that meets YOUR POV, NOT imperical factual information which has been provided as the films are not acceptable and adult trades which are confirmable are not "proof": to your standard level. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.80.229 (talk • contribs)

You're supposed to sign your posts with four tildes. You're supposed to assume good faith of your fellow editor's motives. And the words are spelled "empirical" and "legitimate". wikipediatrix 21:59, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notable in her genre, prolific enough to meet the WP:PORNBIO guideline, plus she's appeared in mainsteam cinema as well. And content/citation issues can be handled within the article. 23skidoo 23:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Which genre? Epbr123 23:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~Delete. Needs sourcing, but is very prolific RE: WP:PORNBIO #3, and apparently #1 as well.Falard 23:59, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Which genre and which award? Epbr123 00:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - In retrospect, having viewed WP:BIGNUMBER, this is probably not notable enough to warrant inclusion, since the award listed above is for a film, not individual and there is no mention of her importance or innovation other than a large number of films.Falard 13:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I'm going to assume good faith on what Ben^B4 said is right and vote keep based on that. Plus the other comments regarding appearing in mainstream movies. Mathmo ^Talk 22:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Ben. Dismas|^(talk) 12:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Do articles in the San Franscisco press count as mainstream media coverage? Town councilors get local media coverage, so should they all get articles? Epbr123 12:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. There are sources and there is some notability.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 10:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.