Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sulaco (fictional spacecraft)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Aliens (film)#Sets and technology. Creating a redirect allows for any pertinent content to be moved to the target article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:27, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sulaco (fictional spacecraft)

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I am afraid this fictional spacecraft fails WP:GNG. There is an analytical paragraph in etymology (Blackmore (1996) and Kreitzer (2002)) but it boils down to the fact that the name of this ship has been inspired by Conrad's work, and there is some scholarly analysis of the parallels. However, that is relevant to the Aliens movie, but not really to the ship. As the article itself notes "A number of other names in the franchise are based on Conrad's work as well.", and what is notable is this fact, not the particular case of this ship. Other than this, sources are of poor reliability, generally mention this in passing in the plot summary context, and none meet WP:SIGCOV (that holds true for the academic sources).

For the record, Blackmore's paper is accessible through LibGen and it contains just one sentence about Sulaco; the book I can only access through snippet view in GBooks (RIP Z-library :( ), but what I see doesn't suggest SIGCOV is met.

I do think the part about etymology (connections between Conrad works and Alien franchise) is merged to Alien (film). I'll ping User:Darkwarriorblak who just got that article to a FA status - I have to say that the omission of any connection to Conrad suggests issues with comprehensiveness of that article (Blackmore's paper is a good read on inspirations of the movie, many of which seem to be missing from the article, not just Conrad's role).

On a final side note, we don't have an article on the arguably more recognizable Nostromo (spaceship) (it was redirected without AfD in 2008; it was just a plot summary - but someone who cares for the franchise might look into whether it's not notable). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, and Film. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy ping for @Darkwarriorblake. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 14:23, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have nothing to do with this article but a) it's got plenty of sources, and b) Not sure I'd say an article isn't comprehensive because I didn't look up why a fictional ship has that name, it's a weird comment to drop in here. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 16:15, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Having "plenty of sources" is enough to meet WP:V but not WP:GNG. See WP:LOTSOFSOURCES. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:56, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Its well written, good enough for the wiki, OP. Cleave and Smite, Delete and Tear! (talk) 20:03, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:LOOKSGOOD is not a very strong argument. It's good for wikia, not Wikipedia. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:58, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment odd that this is so developed while Nostromo (spaceship) was merged years ago. Is there really more to this article than that? Might the commentary on both ships and potentially others make an appropriate article of Spaceships in the Alien universe or something? Jclemens (talk) 06:14, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I could support this, each film generally has different crafts, including the Isolation video game and Prometheus. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 00:02, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We would have to prove that this meets either WP:GNG or WP:LISTN first. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:22, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:06, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as a compromise seems reasonable, unless someone can add some non trivial analysis of this entity's significance? -

GizzyCatBella🍁 23:45, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Aliens (film), perhaps specifically to Aliens (film)#Sets and technology - Its role in the plot of the movie is already described completely in the plot summary of the movie, and the information on its design and production is pretty extensively described in the Sets and technology section, making this a somewhat redundant spinout article. While there are a handful of reliable sources included here, they seem to largely be analyses of the film/franchise as a whole, with the Sulaco only being briefly discussed as a part of the wider analysis. That makes its notability as its own distinct topic somewhat iffy, and even then, I would argue that it would be better discussed as part of the main article on the film (which, again, it largely already is) per WP:NOPAGE. If any of the listed reliable sources are not included in the main Aliens (film) article already, they could be moved over, as well. Rorshacma (talk) 16:59, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relist to consider option of redirection and, if so, to what target article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Given the relists, I'll ping User:Daranios who often finds sources for saving similar articles. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:15, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Aliens (film)#Sets and technology. I'm persuaded by the arguments above that a separate article isn't warranted and that this would be the best solution per WP:PAGEDECIDE. TompaDompa (talk) 20:42, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.