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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Some sources are provided in the article. However, editors did not come to an agreement on whether the level of coverage is sufficient to demonstrate the notability of the subject. (non-admin closure) Rcsprinter123 (confabulate) 17:18, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sugar Zaza[edit]

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Subject fails WP:NWEB and GNG. Many of these citations fail WP:SPS. The Haaretz cite is a mere mention. The PhD dissertation talks little about the subject and are in the footnotes as much as in the body, which is weak. Everything else (ynet, tech.walla, mako, makorrishon) are interviews and so, aren't independent so there's not much for notability of this subject. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:41, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gidonb: How? "The "Shugar Zaza" thing about Pokémon undoubtedly draws on the personal experience of Trager and Paz, who even managed to predict the madness that will take over the world more than six months in advance" I don't see SIGCOV there, regardless that the source is RS. And, a single article along with aformentioned dissertation still seems too low for GNG. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:54, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is based on analysis of their outputs, strengthening the SIGCOV. Also, did you notice that you are answering to a comment, not to a !vote? It makes your comment that this is just one source a bit premature, doesn't it? gidonb (talk) 18:04, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"did you notice that you are answering to a comment" Yes. "...a bit premature, doesn't it?" No. Sometimes I decide to let editors cast wrong !votes and say nothing. Other times when I see someone saying something like a given source is SIGCOV and I don't see it, I ask how. I examined each of the citations present and did a BEFORE search ahead of this nomination, so it doesn't seem to me unreasonable to question why other editors would interpret sources differently. Normal people ask questions and discuss. If you take offense at my questioning of your logic, maybe AfD isn't for you since argument is typical in these discussions. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:16, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why would I take offense? I found one valid source that counts toward notability. That's not enough for a keep yet maybe a beginning for the next person. Therefore it was a comment. You have every right to comment below my comment. So do I. gidonb (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Passes the GNG. The sources are the most-sold newspaper of Israel and Israel's newspaper of record. The characterization of the Haaretz source in the intro as a passing mention is a complete mischaracterization. That entire article is about the activities of this couple and how these were received (badly). There is much more coverage of this duo but these are two SIGCOV RS sources that satisfy the GNG. gidonb (talk) 03:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's hardly significant coverage, it's barely half a page long. Oaktree b (talk) 16:30, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Oaktree. It's a common comment for Hebrew and Arabic sources. These are very concentrated languages. Texts in Hebrew and Arabic become significantly longer in Germanic and Romance langauges, including English. And vice versa. Half a page in Hebrew is SIGCOOV. gidonb (talk) 20:27, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Ganesha811 (talk) 14:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:20, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: There's just not enough coverage to keep the article. The Ynet article is fine, it's barely half a page long. This [1] also isn't extensive coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 16:29, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep: Haaretz, Ynet and Walla are leading media. The TV coverage was also made by some of the most watched channels. It is important to remember the proportions of Israeli media and entertainment industry. Sugar Zaza's videos have made very impressive viewing numbers (especially in comparison to the potential of Hebrew content). Their works are some of the most popular and notable viral hits in Israeli web. They also have one of the longest ongoing careers by Israeli independent content creators.
    However, the parts about their international success certainly do require additional sources. JamesB007 (talk) 12:26, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes but the coverage in minimal. That's mroe the issue. Viral hits mean nothing unless we have extensive sourcing talk about them. Oaktree b (talk) 15:38, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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