Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Style (2007 song)
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The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:07, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Style (2007 song)[edit]
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- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Cliff Smith 19:15, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
no significant media coverage, thus fails Wikipedia:NSONGS. Article content is also not encyclopedic. Same content can be accommodated in the parent article - VivvtTalk 16:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails wp:NSONGS. -- ɑηsuмaη ʈ ᶏ ɭ Ϟ 10:12, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
KeepNeutral The song has won National award in 2007 for Special effects. I have added reference for the same. --Anbu121 (talk me) 08:18, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The award is not conferred specifically for the said song. The official catalogue of the Awards doesn't say such. It is given for special effects for "Sivaji (Tamil)". §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 08:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you notice the two lines below the heading "CITATION" (last two lines of page 66) in the official catalogue you have mentioned. It has not been explicitly mentioned, but the two lines clearly indicates that the award is for the work done by them for this song. Even if you are not convinced about the national award, three references with two of them in national newspaper is enough for the article to stay. --Anbu121 (talk me) 09:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The citation says "For the pioneering effort of rendering tones and textures that assume realistic proportions. Turing dark skin tone to fair by painstaking computer graphic work is most convincingly done." (Quoting it here so that editors don't have to keep looking for it in various places.) And are we to believe these newspapers for their inferences from this citation? And even if we do, notability of "song" does not come from its video. Its music, lyrics and singing are main factors. Then secondary points would be choreography, visual effects, sets, casting, etc. Don't you think so? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 09:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- In Indian cinema, a song means both the audio track as well as the corresponding music video in the film. I agree that the isuue of national award is a bit murky, but the song is notable through the references. --Anbu121 (talk me) 10:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- National Award was given for a film so it does not apply here. Moreover, currently added sources can be very well part of parent article along with the content. You need to explain why these two references make article eligible for the separation for its notability. - Vivvt • (Talk) 11:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- National award was given for the work done in the song. The song is separately notable because, the media articles exclusively mention about the song. The two references are not a review of all the songs in the film, they exclusively talk about this song. --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- National Awards were/are never given for a song. It could be either lyrics, singing or dance. Music award is for complete album or background score. This particular song did not win any of those. So NFA argument is invalid. The mentioned references do talk about the song but then same can be mentioned in the parent article than having a separate article. - Vivvt • (Talk) 12:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I am in a dilemma. Changing to Neutral as of now --Anbu121 (talk me) 13:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- National award was given for the work done in the song. The song is separately notable because, the media articles exclusively mention about the song. The two references are not a review of all the songs in the film, they exclusively talk about this song. --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- National Award was given for a film so it does not apply here. Moreover, currently added sources can be very well part of parent article along with the content. You need to explain why these two references make article eligible for the separation for its notability. - Vivvt • (Talk) 11:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- In Indian cinema, a song means both the audio track as well as the corresponding music video in the film. I agree that the isuue of national award is a bit murky, but the song is notable through the references. --Anbu121 (talk me) 10:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The citation says "For the pioneering effort of rendering tones and textures that assume realistic proportions. Turing dark skin tone to fair by painstaking computer graphic work is most convincingly done." (Quoting it here so that editors don't have to keep looking for it in various places.) And are we to believe these newspapers for their inferences from this citation? And even if we do, notability of "song" does not come from its video. Its music, lyrics and singing are main factors. Then secondary points would be choreography, visual effects, sets, casting, etc. Don't you think so? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 09:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you notice the two lines below the heading "CITATION" (last two lines of page 66) in the official catalogue you have mentioned. It has not been explicitly mentioned, but the two lines clearly indicates that the award is for the work done by them for this song. Even if you are not convinced about the national award, three references with two of them in national newspaper is enough for the article to stay. --Anbu121 (talk me) 09:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The award is not conferred specifically for the said song. The official catalogue of the Awards doesn't say such. It is given for special effects for "Sivaji (Tamil)". §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 08:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: The song as such is not notable. The term "Style (2007 song)" also doesn't seem to be searchable by any reader. Hence no redirect required. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 13:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: There are several sources which mention the song. It may not have been released in a separate soundtrack, but it is notable enough to have a separate article. Here are some sources to speak for me:
- Secret of Sivaji’s ‘white’ tan - The Hindu
- Success so special - The Hindu
- Meet Rajnikanth's voice in Sivaji - CNN IBN
- Making him up - The Hindu
Sivaji The Boss was a landmark film, hence the songs received a lot of attention. There are quite a few more sources available which provide bits of info on the song. Secret of success (talk) 15:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 14:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The song is not independently notable from the film. Merge appropriate content to Sivaji (film) and delete. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:17, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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