Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Student Life (university ministry)

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The result was Merge to Campus Crusade for Christ. I'm very hesitant to delete this, as it is the merge target for two previous merges, but I'm not convinced it yet has stand alone notability. Sourcing is the primary issue here, there are none, and I've done several searches as well as several editors here. I can't find anything other than passing mentions, "press release" type pseudo-articles, and stuff about the Intelligent Design debate of which they are a party to. They are probably notable, but if not verifiable, then not a standalone article. I'll add the merge template to the article, but I'm not doing the merge. The article needs to be trimmed down severely as it is overly detailed with minutia/unsourced assertions. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Student Life (university ministry)[edit]

No indications of notability apparent Richard001 (talk) 03:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. —GRBerry 03:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. —GRBerry 03:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment if kept it should be renamed, as it is exceedingly generically named. 70.51.11.115 (talk) 06:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- To what? I don't mind keeping it if someone can show that it is somehow notable, but I haven't been able to find any reliable sources that mention it. Richard001 (talk) 06:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - That is why the article has the disambiguator, "university ministry", I expect. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep --I had not heard that Campus Crusade for Christ had reorganised and renamed its university ministry, but CCC is (or at least was) an important Christian Ministry (of American origin) and I have no reason to believe that Student life is not also notable. The article claims that it operates in various univerities. This means that it is much more than a student club, of the kind that is too often deleted. I am in England and cannot vouch for the veracity of the article. Oppose renaming, since the name used appears to be that under which it operates. The disambiguator should be retained, becasue it might refer to other things. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. The Campus Crusade for Christ seems to have a few news hits in Australia, so Campus Crusade for Christ (Australia) would be notable I would think. If this organization is the same one but renamed, then I would think the notability follows. Kevin (talk) 23:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Campus Crusade for Christ. It's the same organization, it just uses a different name in Australia/New Zealand. The CCC article even has a section for "Around the world" which currently just has a long list of links. The content could easily be merged there and encourage expansion of that section to more than just a directory. LaMenta3 (talk) 00:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Given the lack of material for writing an article (not a single source mentioning Student Life has been provided) I would support merging it into a section of the (also small) article Campus Crusade for Christ. If it is kept I think it needs to be trimmed down because there is a lot of crufty material of anon/one edit wonder origin in there (much of it from a merge from Student Life Australia. Richard001 (talk) 06:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep per Peterkingiron. SL is definitely notable as a student organisation in Australia and is notable in more than one location. JRG (talk) 09:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please provide sources. Richard001 (talk) 06:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Why should I have to find sources to placate people like you that do no research whatsoever? Have a look and find them yourself. I know SL is notable, but I simply don't have time to find sources. JRG (talk) 02:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - I have had a look for sources. Why should I read comments from people like you that insist something is notable without offering a single source? Richard001 (talk) 05:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Richard001. Bhaktivinode (talk) 01:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Campus Crusade for Christ, as this is essentially just a local branch of that organisation. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 03:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Delete Not notable. Culturalrevival (talk) 03:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There are 4 hits for the specific search term "Campus Crusade for Christ Australia" [1]. I haven't been able to find anything for the New Zealand branch. I'm not sure how much those four sources focus on the subject - they may just be passing mentions. Richard001 (talk) 06:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, subsidiary of a larger organization. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 06:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.