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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedily deleted as CSD A7. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Cup[edit]

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Non-notable and unverifiable internal competition at a school. No third-party sources cited or found. ~Matticus TC 10:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I deleted it, I'm amazed it's being given serious consideration here. The comments added to my talk page don't inspire me to change my views either. Jimfbleak 11:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

KeepIm amazed you guys seem to have such a problem with it. Im only helping people. I added some exernal links to the article which has information about the Strong Cup. Im dont want to inspire people who are moderators of a website. I want to help people who are connected to the school and who are interested in the school. Im sorry for my tone but in all fairness you guys are being harsh. Its not like your lives are affected by it. SAVE THE STRONG CUPWhoisthis2007 13.21 11 June 2007

Another thing, after looking at Jimfbleak deleted history i can see he has no regard for the human race at all. Deleting a article about deaf peoples football team is just the icing on the cake.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Whoisthis2007 (talk • contribs)

Whoisthis2007, please remain civil and assume good faith. These are Wikipedia policies. --Dhartung | Talk 13:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - This is truly a Non-notable article. Seems that the sole editors are going to be defending this to the end. I have posted a comment about courtesy and what Wikipedia is not. We may need to eventually get admin intervention on this one as it seems it will be getting personal, if it has not already. I agree with the nom. Although it might be important to the editor, and was added in good faith, it is not important to the Wikipedia community and is not verifiable. Plm209(talk to me • contribs) 13:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE: I have contacted main contrib to the page and seem to have diffused the hostility. The AfD should now be able to run its course without any attacks so that a general concensus can be reached. Plm209(talk to me • contribs) 13:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy merge/redirect to Dauntsey's School. If people want to learn about Dauntsey's School, they can find that article easily enough. Plus, by doing it speedily, we can avoid several days of user talk page attacks, like the one I'm likely to get. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 13:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete: Fails WP:V and WP:NN about as hard as anything does. The first link given is a proprietary school link requiring password, the third link is broken, and the second is the main school website that has nothing about this Cup. A search on Google UK for "Strong Cup" + "Dauntseys" turns up ONE link [1], buried deeply in the school's public website which has a fleeting mention of this Cup; claims that this is "one of the most fierce School competitions in the South West England area" run a bit thin. That aside, I urge the proponents of this article to read up on relevant Wikipedia policies such as WP:V, WP:ORG and WP:NN. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia governed by certain criteria, not a Myspace page where one can put up whatever one wants.  RGTraynor  14:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You guys are quite harsh. Im only 14 years old as well. This is all a bit much. I was only trying to share a bit of information. No one is nice around here. I thought wikipedia was supposed to be friendly oh well i guess i was wrong then. Since the school was on here i thought i might as well put it up here. Thanks for making me feel welcome, I didnt know there were so many mean people out there. I have heard from lots of schools that they know about the strong cup because of its rivalry. I dont need people in America to tell me otherwise Well done guys. You have managed to crush a young boys spirit. I hope your proud of yourselves. User:Whoisthis2007

I'm sorry you feel that way, but surely you must understand that encyclopedias are in the business of gauging items of importance and weeding out items that do not make the cut. Would you call the Times mean for not publishing an article on your Cup on its front page?  RGTraynor  15:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The times is a newspaper and i was told that i couldnt write my article like a newspaper. This article is of importance of to the school and the school is on here. So why cant our school competition be on here. This is totally unfair, i thought you were ment to be interested in hockey not schools User:Whoisthis2007

Comment: On the contrary, this is entirely fair. We apply Wikipedia guidelines and policies to every article. Your school competition fails to qualify under a couple of those policies, which we've mentioned above.  RGTraynor  16:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Importance to the school !=importance to the rest of the world. Without reliable sources that show that anyone outside of the school itself takes an interest, this article does not belong. It's not personal, it's guidelines. You should read them. DarkAudit 16:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

THERE IS NO MORE DISSCUSION ON THIS. I HAVE MOVED THE INFORMATION ELSEWHERE. YOU 30 YEAR OLDS HAVE MANAGED TO BULLY, HARASS AND ABUSE A 14 YEAR OLD BOY. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR IT, YOU WIN THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO SAY. STOP PUTTING SALT IN THE WOUND. YOU HAVE CRUSHED A 14 YEAR OLDS SPIRIT. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!!!!!!!

This kind of behavior is simply unacceptable. What we have here is a an AfD nomination handled according to every single established protocol, handled with the care and politeness that such an action warrants, which is nevertheless met with what can only described as a hyperbolic tirade (and a rather transparent attempt at an appeal to pity). The issue we're seeing here is a fundamental disjoint between our goals as a project and the goals of people joining it, and, perhaps, more could and should be done to correct this. --Agamemnon2 18:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looking through the user's contributions, it appears to be single-purpose account. Agamemnon2's right, and it looks like a complete appeal to pity. Cool Bluetalk to me 19:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, and my own take on Agamemnon2's comments is that there should be a guideline with equal force to WP:BITE - that in their own turn, newcomers have a duty to act respectfully, courteously and with maturity, to make an effort to acquaint themselves with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and to assume good faith on the part of existing editors who seek to apply them. In this particular case, English public schools are not noted for a lack of decorum, and these actions are somewhat disconcerting.  RGTraynor  19:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That indeed is the nub of my gist. More and more, we need to make it plain to newcomers that there are certain rules in place and being new to the project is not a carte blanche to ignore them, nor should new users expect preferential treatment if they might be ignorant of the basics. Such a user not knowing exactly how to write a fair use rationale is fine, and I'm sure many editors will help a new user with that, but ignoring AP:AGF is not. I might write an essay about it at some point. --Agamemnon2 19:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hey, cheer up. I saw your article on the AfD page, it's a good article, but they're pretty hard on school stuff around here. Why not try writing about something you really like or know something about as well? Even just adding something to an article you look up on here? There's no point vandalising stuff or getting upset, it's not worth it. It can be pretty harsh around here but hey, that's life. You're up for it, aren't you? You're a good writer, show them that. Nick mallory 17:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

i wish more people were like this Whoisthis2007

  • right many of our notices and warnings are on the harsh side for some of the people they are addressed to, but this afd is a example of handling them right. And many people of 14 years old and even younger have written good WP articles, without special consideration. DGG 01:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE I have transferred my information to the school page. I have also realised that behaviour is unacceptable. Please accept my apology. This is no way to behave and I hope you dont see me as the typical english public school child. I should not have acted this way and I am sorry Whoisthis2007

STRONG KEEP I am shocked at this attiude that administators have taken towards this young writer.It look likes he has been harrassed and bullied into submission. It is perfectally natural for a young person to defend themselves and this kind of behavour towards the young person is unacceptable. He was only trying to add to your website, and he got this response. Im gald that there is at least one user who has been supportive. TheSupport 12 June 2007 11.26

Note: user's first ever edit, user has also posted what could be considered personal attacks on the talk pages of selected users who voted to delete the article ChrisTheDude 10:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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